Tua vs Holyfield circa '96-'97?

how did Tua do against that version of Golota?
your whole argument is completely baseless. What has Golota beating up Bowe got to do with how a Tua/Holyfield fight would go?

If this was the case, and weight is the barometer, why did a slimmer version of Bowe AND Tua, perform much better than heavier versions of themselves?

what your trying to suggest is that Tuas weight would be more benefiical to him than Bowes size?

Tua probably did harder than Bowe, but where did that get him in his career? and power isnt going to help against one of the greatest chins ever at hw. You need a bit more than that to beat Holyfield and Tua, simply doesnt have it.

 

Because Tyson actually bought the fight to Lewis, Tua was happy to plod around and follow Lewis like a complete fool and then walked into the ringpost in the last few seconds of the fight. He had no answer to Lewis, Tyson to a lesser extent, made the fight a bit more competitive

Tyson cut the ring off better and was bigger than Tua....and better than him as well. Lewis was forced to fight more aggressively against Tyson. Against Tua, Lewis had no worries.

 

I did a post on this on a different thread, its all good beating the Izons and Maskaevs of the world, but Holyfield was a totally different cup of tea.

Tua is dangerous, but easily beatable, as shown by numerous people.

 

He did just fine against that version of Golota, matter of fact he did so well that Golota's feeble mind panicked and he started hitting Tua with low blows as Tua was constantly coming forward and walking through his hardest punches like they were nothing.

Yes that's exactly what I'm suggesting that Tua's weight is more beneficial to him than Bowe's height and that's the primary reason that he hits so hard. Let me school you a little on the biomechanical component of this great sport in basic terms that you can understand: THE SHORTER AND THICKER YOU ARE, THE MORE STABLE YOUR BASE IS, THE MORE STABLE YOUR BASE IS THE MORE EFFICIENTLY YOU CAN LEVERAGE EXPLOSIVE FORCE INTO A PUNCH. The most explosive punchers in history: Rocky Marciono: 5'11, Mike Tyson: 5'10, David Tua: 5'10. Is your simple mind beginning to see a pattern here or do you need further explanation to understand?

"Tua probably did hit harder than Bowe." David Tua ABSOLUTELY hit harder than Riddick Bowe, as far as one punch power, Tua is the hardest puncher in the history of professional boxing due to his oversized calves, thick thighs and wide waist all adding up to create THE PERFECT BIOMECHANICAL BASE for leveraging extreme amounts of explosive force into one punch.

If Holyfield who's been knocked out TWICE and knocked down to the canvas by John Ruiz has one of the "greatest chins ever" then how do you rate Tua's chin, the man who has NEVER even been remotely close to getting knocked out in 59 professional bouts? The same man who took EVERYTHING 235 pound hard hitting monster Ibeabuchi could dish out for 12 rounds straight in one of the most brutal heavyweight fights in the history of professional boxing and there wasn't a single moment in that fight where Tua appeared to be even remotely hurt.

 

It's quite obvious SKS and Elroy are alts for the same poster now(whoever that might be), and this a troll thread as I suspected.

 

Nice try. But no. You would probably pull a stunt like that due to your lack of critical thinking and intelligence but I don't have to.

 

In your fantasies maybe. But the real answer was 'David Tua didnt fight Andrew Golota, so i cant really brag about Bowe was beaten up by him'.

You know nothing about boxing, youve read some bull**** somewhere, put 2+2 together and made 5 out of it. Simple mind? your speaking to a former boxer, if your calculation is so correct please explain the power of someone like Tommy Hearns or even Lennox Lewis or George Foreman?

And where did all of this get Tua? nowhere, he only get a whiff of the title. At no time, during his active years, could Tua ever proclaim he was the greatest heavyweight on earth. Holyfield could. David Tuas Kos are over total cab drivers, he has 2 Kos over quality opposition in Ruiz and Moorer, thats it. The rest is garbage and C level fighters of a decade packed with great fighters.

Tua was on his ass by Monte Barrett and your point is? what happened to his power and muscles and weight and thick neck and all the other crap you were bragging about?

Ibeabuchi was a monster based on nothing. He beat Byrd and Tua and thats about it, him being a monster is about as relevant as Valeros 100% ko percentage.

 

Its hard to pick a guy like Tua to defeat better boxers from the past, when he failed to do so against guys in his own era.
I also feel Tuas KO and power is ever so slightly overrated. Majority of his Kos are over frigging cab drivers, cleaners and toilet attendants.

Lets look at some of Tuas top Ko's
John Ruiz, i give him this, it was an excellent Ko over a guy who would become 2 time champion and would never be kod again until his final fight (Haye)
David Izon - good KO over a decent fighter, but it took him 12 to do it.
Oleg Maskaev - had already been Kod in one by Mcall of all people, took Tua 11 to do it. Would go on to be kod 5-6 more times, each one quicker than Tua
Rahman - first loss was to Tua, took Tua 10 to pull it off.
Fres Oquendo - Took Tua 9 rounds.
Michael Moorer seems to be the biggest name on the list, he was way past his best when he fought Tua and Tua hd him out of there in first round.

His highlight Kos against his top opponents all came late in the fight and the above mentioned are hardly the murderers row, whereas Tyson was getting alot of these guys out of there and quick.

 

-That fight turned Ruiz from an upstart slugger into the successful spoiler we love ot hate. I think Ruiz would have beat Tua circa 2003.

-Moorer was totally washed up and even in his prime, was very vulnerable to pressure. Tua would have probably always blasted him out.

-Izon, Oleg, Oquendo..a familiar pattern of Tua getting in a huge hole and needing a late KO to save the day. He couldn't find that late magic against Byrd and Ike, though he tried.

-Stoppage on first Rahman fight was premature and deserving of its controversy. Second match, Rahman clearly won but got robbed.

 

With Tua it's always going to be a matter of which version shows up. He had a way of undertraining and underperforming.

That said, I wouldn't put a dime on this one. Tua would definitely get his openings both due to Holyfield's preferred distance and the fact that Vander rarely met a brawl he didn't like.

I don't know if this has been posted yet, but this footage might get your mind working on what a real match-up would be like...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtuuP57Bzr4

 

He avoided brawling at least twice in 96-97.

 

He still got tagged. And Tua had bigger one punch power than Tyson... and was a better finisher by that point.

 

-Getting tagged here and there is a bit different then recklessly engaging in a brawl.

-That's an assumption open to speculation. We know they both hit very hard, and it takes more than getting tagged here and there by a very hard punch to break Evander down.

-Not sure what you base that claim on. Tua didn't look any more proficient in stopping Oleg and Izon than Tyson did against Bruno, Seldon, and Mathis.

-Evander has faced countless heavy handed opponents in a long, grueling career. He was only stopped once before the age of 40 while obviously in poor health. Tua has been outpointed several times and was on his way to being outpointed in most of his better wins..would you really be scared to bet on this match?

 

Looks like you need to read a little more my very simple minded friend as Tua and Golota DID fight in sparring as things quickly got out of hand after Golota blasted Tua with a couple of intentional low blows, the whole incident was a resuly of Golota's mind basically breaking down and panicking because Tua kept coming at him even though Golota was hitting him with everything he had but you wouldn't know this because the news story was published in an ARTICLE that requires reading. The problem with you is that you're too old and stuck in your ways, you think you know everything just because you're old and you regard scientific literature as "bull****". Open up your mind and read something buddy, you might actually learn something.

 

I am not picking against Vander here. I am just saying I would not put money on an outcome. I never saw both spar together (but did see each train individually) but heard their sessions were competitive.

The fight that gets me worried is the Bert Cooper affair. Both Cooper and Tua throw a similar compact, powerful hook. If a prime Tua got Holyfield in that situation, the fight would be ended shortly thereafter.

On another note, was I the only one who thought Tua was carrying Maskaev for benefit of network TV? It sure looked that way to me, tho I have not rewatched since it was aired.