In Light Of Pavlik's Recent DUI

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  1. big_AL

    big_AL P4P #1 Full Member

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    Or should i say most recent:-(

    I've decided to watch some of his fights again, in particular from taylor 1 onwards

    The decline from the hard punching, high volume, body punching, strong pressure fighter to slow, margarito clone was so rapid it's shocking. even still he did well against martinez, I had him only a round down at the time of the cut which killed the fight and he was coming on so strong

    Do people on here forget what a great fighter he was considering his relative lack of versatility?

    he kinda reminds me of an american froch- a guy who achieved (or at least could have achieved) so much more than his ability merited and always remembered his roots, even to his detriment i.e. keeping loew as head trainer for so long

    I know this thread is a bit irrelevant to current affairs but i just figured it's best to remember what a great prospect kelly was on a night when another american champion is fighting
     
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    the commentator Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Alcohol has defeated many men.....having said that, Cheers to Pavlik's retirement....it was the best decision he could've made....
     
  3. ashishwarrior

    ashishwarrior I'm vital ! Full Member

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    dbouziane ............. Full Member

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    start with his run up to the title. knocked out zuniga, mckart, zertuche and miranda. Hell Miranda is one of the best fights of that year. None had been stopped. He was a machine for a small window in time.
     
  5. Ahurath

    Ahurath Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yeah I mean he acually achived somethng only a few men in history has done so I wouldn't be too dissapointed.

    A thing I remeber from that period was that he changed his training schedule alot before the hopkins fight and I acually think that was one of the many things that went wrong.

    If something has worked for you and granted you the lineal title then why would you change it?
     
  6. dbouziane

    dbouziane ............. Full Member

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    he was a mess after he won the title. some people used to post on here who were pretty close with his camp and it was pretty bad. they did a good job of covering it up but it was pretty bad.
     
  7. mrjotatp4p

    mrjotatp4p THE ONE Full Member

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    He was a machine at that time no doubt. Can't take nothing away from what he did!!
     
  8. Wig

    Wig Boxing Addict Full Member

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    jab jab straight right, rinse and repeat

    horribly overrated American level plodder, aka the great white hoax
     
  9. dbouziane

    dbouziane ............. Full Member

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    got overrated after he won the title because he put asses in seats. underrated on his way up to the title.

    miranda was supposed to destroy him and manny steward was literally laughing at him before the taylor fight. you call that overrating?

    you know not what you speak and are blinded by hate :deal
     
  10. SILVER SKULL 66

    SILVER SKULL 66 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    His fight with Miranda was awesome! Loved every minute of it!
    His decline started after he lost to Hopkins, guess he just got depressed and couldn't stop getting into the liquor cabinet..
     
  11. 1punch1nder

    1punch1nder **Bam Bam** Full Member

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    the great white hoax that smashed the faces of miranda and jermaine taylor. yea right!
     
  12. MaliBua

    MaliBua Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I agree that he was under rated if anything on his way up to the title. He did beat one good fighter as taylor and thats it. He was fighting in weak era of middleweight and only fight what mathered on his short reign was aa fight which didnt happen. I think pavlik was strong champ even looked pretty limited to me.

    I remember finnish amin asikainen was fighting at same time as ebu champ when kelly was reigning and even finnish boxing experts thought they would been worrying the health of asikainen if he and pavlik were in the same ring. What I mean with this pavlik was well respected.
     
  13. HoldMyBeer

    HoldMyBeer Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    AA was taking the all too familiar 'german path of least resistance' and wasn't on the international map
    at least he stepped up for the SMW tournament
     
  14. victor879

    victor879 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It's really hard to say what Pavlik could have accomplished if he wasn't on the booze. Not saying he would have gone down as an ATG, but he was a quality fighter with dangerous power at 160.

    Alcoholism is no joke.
     
  15. dbouziane

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    i agree that it wasn't the strongest mw era…that's for sure. but w/ martinez out and jr (who i never rated anyways) at cw…it was a much stronger division than it is now. i mean…there's 3G and then nothing better than what pavlik beat. i'd take prime taylor and prime miranda over anyone fighting at mw today not named 3G. and it was also how he beat the guys on his way up. i remember the zertuche fight and kellerman wasn't even sure pavlik could create "buzz" with the fight. zertuche was undefeated and got absolutely put to sleep.