Marciano v Bowe

You're right fof, it's getting a bit silly.
Jeez o pete, another 'different eras' matchup?
How about a 1952 Bowe vs. a 1992 Rock?
See?
A 2000 Vlad? a 1992 Bowe? etc...vs. a 1952 Rock? or a 1923 Dempsey? Yes, a blowdown! Point made.
A 1923 Wlad vs. a 2000 Dempsey? Other reversals?
**** on this mythical s**t! Different eras! Different training! Steroids??? Perhaps. Let the ATG's have their legacy. To the delight of, probably, most of you, I will no longer comment on any matchup of fighters from different eras. I'm out, have at it guys...

 

OK, how does he do versus Bernard Hopkins?

 

I don't put much stock in the tale of the tape measurements you are citing like biceps, neck, and chest:

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Using them as your guide, you would conclude MW Jermaine Taylor was bigger than HW Evander. Lacy and Roy Jones also end up looking bigger than many HWs.

Evander had a lot of early success, infighting Bowe. Because Bowe slouches forward with a low left, Holyfield landed quite a few lunging right hands.

Make a note of Round 2, the 205 lb Evander pushing Bowe into the ropes, and then scoring on the inside with weaving crude hooks , while Bowe is befuddled by the pressure, his big long arms missing the target inside.

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Holyfield of course runs out of steam and quits punching, letting Bowe recover and find his offense. Evander still ducks under Bowe's punches occasionally and lands some short left hooks over the top.

Evander also had success whenever he goes to the body, landing a particularly nasty one as Round 2 winds down, really should have done that more often. Imagine if Holyfield had the gas that Marciano had, and was able to keep pouring the punches on without having to rest so much. Bowe can't do anything when Evander is moving on the inside and looking to punch him, Big Daddy's best moments come when Evander shells up and leans on him, trying to rest..which happens more and more frequently as the fight progresses. Holyfield just didn't have the stamina to pressure Bowe for 12 rounds, not his style of fight.

 

Please to remember that maintaining stamina against an active, young, powerful giant like Bowe is different than maintaing it against much smaller, much older opponentd trying to get by on guile. I tend to think that Marciano would more quickly than did Holyfield.

 

Holyfield was huffing for air after using Foreman for a punching bag, he was older and slower than anyone Marciano fought. Holyfield always fought in spurts.

Qwai was 33 and smaller than anyone Marciano fought. How come he couldn't pour on offense like Maricano in that fight? As greatly conditioned as Evander was, 70-100 punch Championship rounds just isn't something to realistically expect of him.

 

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Holyfield is certainly an elite HW athlete.


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But this is a high standard of stamina to live up to.

 

Rocky was not invincible but he would be about as hard and as game to beat as any great fighter who was as hard and game as he was. Rocky's size disadvantage is also as awkward for a giant like Bowe as Riddicks advantage is awkward for him. Bowe is having to punch down and even inside he is having to bend low to get enough leverage. we know Bowe would hang his weight on Rocky. The ego on Bowe might make him come in even worse shape than he did for some of his fights and I see him getting more frustrated than he ever got against Mathis junior or that Tillery guy who kicked him up the arse. There is a lot of target for Rocky to hit cleaner than Bowe can hit him with, all Bowe is going to see is the top of Rockys balding head, it is not going to be easy to direct clean blows to the smaller mans jaw past his elbows and shoulder. Bowe was a good body puncher but he will have to crouch pretty low to deliver those on Rocky who was a good counter puncher at the right range. It could be an awful mess. A bad tempered tangle. If Bowe came in under 210, fought the best, controlled boxing exhibition, better than he ever showed in real life and used a pace, tempo and more speed than he ever did in real life maybe he has a chance..

 

Not sure if serious? :think

 

Typical incomplete post … Using Holyfield's 12th pro fight against Rocky in his own prime … why not compare this to Rocky against some of the tomato cans he was fighting in Brockton in his own 12th fight ?

 

Bowe came in as low as 216 one time, another 6lb in another era and he would have been even more athletic. If Ali could make 201 in 1966 I think 206-210 was not out of reach for a gym slacker like Bowe.

 

Bowe could have made 210lb with a different training program and if he seriously wanted to be a better fighter, more suited to keeping up with 190 pound classic sized heavyweights with smaller gloves who had more pace and still hurt bigger men.