tripple g is the only fighter know who can beat floyd

When he quits playing in the Pee Wee's and steps up to the best in the division ie not the shane's, hattons, ortiz's etc etc then I will raise my glass. Until then he's a cherry picking ducker.........and let's not forget he's actually admitted that himself!!

So to that end........

Run Floyd............RUNNN!!!!

 

45-0 though.

 

You mean 44-1 (Castillo robbery)

 

floyd would be doing a broner vs triple G, but from punches.

 

Duran fought a fighter bigger than GGG in Iran Barkley at Middlewight. Yet Floyd is the GOAT?

 

On the contrary, my IQ is 147, so idiot? No. I haven't fallen for any hype. I scout boxing talent as part of my living. I'm good at it. I don't need a resume to see talent and yet that is all you seem to reference half the time: fighter's resumes. Amatuer talent plays a big roll in the pros, in many styles. Certain styles do not carry well to the pros, but GGG's happened to carry over well, so his amateur talent and record are very appropriate to reference in support of his pro talent.

Many fighter are over hyped, i.e. their talent apparent does not match their hype. GGG, happens not to be one of those fighters. His talent actually does warrant the hype. He is without question the best at 160 and probably the second or third best at 168 and second or third best at 154. If I were some GGG fanboy I'd be telling you he's the best at 154, 160, & 168, but I am an objective analyst and I don't dabble in fantasy.

 

Ask Hershman and Loeffler. Also, Martinez didnt even become a "name" until he was like 35 so I wouldnt worry about age.

Its funny watching all the blind haters though.

Heres whats far and away whats most likely to happen: GGG keeps stopping people throughout 2014, though probably not Martinez cause Sergio will likely retire first. But he will stop whomever HBO can get in front of him.

Ward will get his promotional/legal issues straightened out in 2014. Then unless there are big money fights in the offering for 2015 at 160 GGG will move up, and Ward will fight more frequently with a decent promoter and HBO will put them on same card mid-late 2015.

Then with Pacman and FMJ careers coming to a close, and attention shifting to more and more to 168 range the new "huge fight" will be Golovkin/Ward, which will actually get made. #1 p4p tactician Ward vs probably 3 or 4 p4p by that time power boxer Golovkin. And both Ward and GGG will finally get the 8 figure PPV payday they want. If its a good fight , which it almost certainly will be - regardless who wins expect a tune up then a rematch for another payday.

 

Are you aware that a fighters skill set and ability can look great against average competition while that doesn't mean that skill set and ability will be effective at elite level? He is without doubt the best at 160 in your opinion however the number 1 middleweight is Sergio Martinez. Peter Quillin has a similar resume to GGG so a case can be made he is the best middleweight then. At the end of the day no matter what you say GGG is 32 years old and has a poor record for the supposed number 1 in the division. You say you don't dabble in fantasy but you deal in assumption heavily and you don't have much evidence supporting what you saying except GGG beating up a load of over matched C level opponents.

 

A few things.

First, its funny to see people talk about age then talk about Martinez who was considerably older than GGG in boxing terms when he became the "man" at MW.

Second, if this was at WW the opposition would be regarded differently. Due to star power and lots of attention, people from 140-154 in particular get loads more rating than equivalent fighters at higher weight classes. Everyone pays attention to FMJ/PAC and by extension to the divisions that hold their possible opposition.

So many people want to treat the entire MW division outside of Martinez as a can. Its silly.

Third, regardless of some attributes and techniques being subjective to opponent a few things are objective. In GGG case the biggest entirely objective attributes being power, foot speed/footwork and endurance. Though I rate many other attributes highly as well - particularly his jab, the aforementioned in ample supply are sufficient to take you to the top of any division. Its also hard to deny he has at least a good ring IQ, we wont know if its a great ring IQ until he gets thrown in with Ward.

 

I have never once mentioned his opponents, or him beating up X or Y. You are the person obsessed with GGG's opponents. I don't need an opponent to evaluate a fighter's skills. Those skills are their skills regardless of who they fight. It's things you apparently don't evaluate; things like balance, technique, consistency, control, movement, and strategy. I meticulously frame by frame through fighters' fights watching for things, for example, the consistency of where they keep their opposing hand, arm, and shoulder when they throw an uppercut, whether they telegraph their intentions, do they vary the speed of their punches, can they vary the angles of their hooks, do they use combinations properly, reaction time (in milliseconds) reacting to punches from an opponent and reacting to take advantage of an opening, and much more. All of these things are measurable and independent of an opponent and go much farther towards evaluating a fight than "omg, who has he beat??!!!111". You really should learn more about the sweet science and depend less on resumes to evulate fighters. You'll never beat the casino on a mispricing if you consider resumes to be the holy grail of evaluation metrics. If you think Peter Quillin is equivalent to GGG and Sergio is the #1 middleweight then conversing with you is probably an exercise in futility.

P.S. You are still discounting all of the A-level competition he bested in the amateurs. That takes skill and talent.

 

But in order to evaluate the level a fighters skills are at you have to take into consideration the level of opposition. That is common sense. I know a lot about the sweet science and i don't have to break down film frame by frame. I have been in the ring at a decent level myself and i know against certain level of fighter i can pull off many things that i cant against much better fighters. All them things you mentioned can be negated by fighters with better ring I.Q and skill sets themselves. Guys like Rosado and Stevens are extremely basic so its not that impressive that he can capitalize on the basic mistakes and weaknesses that these fighters show.

 

45-0

 

Tell the Good Boy to drop down. Right now its a lot of *******s/floyd haters saying this and that, but they make no ****ing sense.

GGG is a middleweight, if he wants to fight Floyd he should drop down to 154 and earn it.

 

This ain't a fight that would ever happen. I'm not even gonna say that GGG would beat Floyd - simple answer is I just don't know. At 154 I might favour Floyd simply cos Floyd is proven there and GGG isn't. I'd go vice-versa for 160.

Simply, no comparison of their relative skills and technique can tell us much of use.

If there had been a styles match-up to compare it with, it mighta been Tszyu - cept GGGs a much bigger guy and Floyd never fought 'Zoo so that's no use at all.

I can't actually think of an offensive technician that Floyd fought that would give a reasonable yardstick for this. DLH perhaps, he was at least a skilled amateur with decent offense, but was stylistically nothing like GGG though would be close in weight at his biggest.

 

lEven if GGG wims, Floyd is still the better fighter, unless you think a 135 pound Golovkin would also beat a 154 lb floyd.