Floyd Mayweather drops WBC welterweight title as Pacquiao becomes No.1 contender

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  1. Symphenyceo

    Symphenyceo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I see people still being stupid. Him not dealing with Arum is a result of the BS Arum pulled in Dec 09 and when he was with Top rank.
     
  2. Symphenyceo

    Symphenyceo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He never directly worked with him in dec 09, his team did. Arum ruined all business relationships and pulled the plug on the fight not even 10 days into negotiations. Then when they met with the mediator Arum broke the gag order and then lied only to be called out on it by the judge.
     
  3. iceman71

    iceman71 WBC SILVER Champion Full Member

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    great champions fight their rivals 1 time or even 2 or 3 times
    not look for fuc.king excuses not to get in the ring with them :rofl

    Pac vs Barerra 1,2
    Pac vs Morales 1,2,3
    Pac vs JMM 1,2,3
    Cotto vs Margo 1,2
    Shane vs Oscar 1,2

    Floyd vs Pac ZERO times
    but we got (or will get) great classics like
    Floyd vs Ghost
    Floyd vs Ortiz
    Floyd vs Khan

    :rofl

    keep defending the rich coward :hi:
     
  4. Symphenyceo

    Symphenyceo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Did you even look at the articles posted or you going to be a kid like the rest of them?

    Floyd agreed to all terms, only thing left was for pac to sign and arum personally brought him the contract and he didnt sign off. Instead he made further demands.

    Do you need those articles and quotes from pac's team again? Or are you just going to do like the rest of the teenagers in here and believe what you want despite the facts put in front of you?


    Dec 09 was the last straw as far as dealing with Arum.
     
  5. Symphenyceo

    Symphenyceo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Not of that has anything to do with facts, the sad part is the emotes come out when people dont have a leg to stand on. I bet you havent click on any of the articles or read any of the quotes because it disproves what you are saying. But you can continue with the kiddie stuff if you want if that makes you feel better.
     
  6. LondonW2

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    All the great champions that have worn that belt and he just casts it aside. Like many others I am bored of his excuses for not fighting Manny.

    The sport will be better off without Mayweather.
     
  7. Anima

    Anima Kinetic Link Full Member

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    What a coward, disgraceful.
     
  8. Stylez G.

    Stylez G. Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Mayweather hasn't dropped any belt. And Pacquiao won't be pursuing that belt.
     
  9. Anima

    Anima Kinetic Link Full Member

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    WOW

    :patsch The whole ****ing world knew they were negotiating to make the fight happen, mediation even happened. Now you're saying that Floyd has nothing to do with that? Hell, the whole testing fiasco when from them.


    Now, somehow he doesn't want anything to do with Bob Arum.

    Not back then, only now. When all his road blocks were agreed upon and when Pac became his mandatory.
     
  10. Symphenyceo

    Symphenyceo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I see you also have a problem with reading. No one said he didnt have anything to do with negotiations. Floyd instructed his team along with Richard to negotiate on his behalf with Tor Rank(hard time reading i see as this is in the post you responded to). Arum removed himself from negotiations and pronounce the fight dead not even 10 days into negotiations.

    So no, floyd never directly dealt with Arum his team and richard did. Neither pac nor floyd was present during the meditation. Learn to read.
     
  11. Scar

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    It has nothing to do with what Pac, Arum or Roach said. What they said back when Mayweather first introduced that rule was absolutely nothing, all they did was laugh out loud at him, as did the media and the general public, while they went on to sign other fights. Mayweather was then left to fight Mosley and implement his new rule in that fight knowing that Mosley was going to accept anyway. Modern age of testing or not, it was irrelevant back when he first introduced it since he didn't really introduced it properly, he pretty much openly said "Pacquiao is a cheater, I want him to take my tests to prove to me otherwise". No one in Pacquiao's position was going to bow down to that bullcrap.



    Were these athletes being called out for it by others beneath them in their own fields?. I don't think so. Pacquiao was P4P#1 at the time and the man in the sport. Mayweather was coming off 2 years of retirement and a win over Marquez, which for some reason didn't require any extra testing to make.




    Didn't Pacquiao agree to the test when Mayweather personally called him only to be turned down for his new comical offer of "$40 million to you and all the rest including 100% of PPV earnings to me"?



    Arum had no issue with taking the initial contract which had ODST included over to the Philippines for Pac to sign it, Pac is the one who made further demands.


    So it's a crime for Pacquiao to make additional demands but Mayweather asking for new testing of his own was absolutely fine?. If you're going to point fingers you have to be reasonable while doing so. As far as I remember, Mayweather never mentioned any of this and he was overly vocal about anything Pacquiao said or did at the time.



    I do know what Floyd would have done because he has done it numerous times already. From new testing to more money and 100% of PPV earnings to leave Arum and join TMT and I don't even care to remember what else anymore. Didn't he recently openly drop his WBC title when Pacquiao became his mandatory?



    Then why say otherwise today?, wasn't Arum the one carrying contracts to Manny in attempts to make the fight?. Why did all of this change now?



    I explained to you why he didn't agree to the test at first and he got 100% public and media support for it. Later when he accepted Mayweather demanded something comically new. It wasn't only testing that was Mayweather's issue when he made the phone call in 2012.
     
  12. markq

    markq Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Funny thing is Mayweather hasn't dropped anything. More *******s talking from the butt. :smh
     
  13. Anima

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    Of course Pac and Floyd would never be present there, That's why they have teams and promoters. Their team represent each fighter.

    Problems are with your logic, you're basically telling me that Floyd sent his team(Which he is the boss of) to negotiate but in the end never really wanted to do anything with Arum. Then why would Floyd send his team in the first place? Why would he even bother if he has no intentions?

    Why the hell would he insist on demand after demand if he was really wasn't interested in dealing with Arum? Did he say back it back then that he wants Arum out of the equation? Are you telling me that by sending his team to negotiate would magically get rid or take Arum out of the equation?


    In the end of the day he'll be the one signing on the dotted line not his team, so whether he likes it or not Arum is part of the equation. That's why they have promoters, Does Floyd create his own contract? No, his team and promoters help shape and make it. Same story with Pac. You deal with Floyd, you go through his team. You deal wit Pac, you go through Arum.

    So your direct or indirect twist on things doesn't make sense. All of it is just dodging what's obvious.
     
  14. progamer

    progamer Boxing Junkie banned

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    just running in circles with rehashed excuses.

    give it a rest.

    floyd is scared. thats it.
     
  15. Symphenyceo

    Symphenyceo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It does matter what they said because they said they didnt have a problem with it and then turn around and make it an issue. It was there from jump.

    Its not a new rule, its a contractual agreement. And like i said countless times ODST was there from the beginning. And floyd didnt leave to fight mosley, Arum deaded the fight on dec 10th over Richard not accompanying him to cowboy stadium. Arum then went ahead and signed pac to fight clottey way before mosely- floyd was thought of. Shane- Floyd dint come off until a few weeks after berto pulled out because of the hati incident.

    It wasnt something new, Hearns asked leonard to do it in the 80's and tyson asked hoylfield in the 90's. Only reason it wasnt more prevalent is bcause it is exspensive.

    He felt he was dirty so he asked for ODST, simple. I find it funny that paulie also made the same accusations outright and Arum had him lined up as a potential opponent.



    I guess you dont watch baseball, witch hunt if i ever seen one. HOFers were being accused just because, congress even had to get involved.

    He could have been whatever mythical ranking at the time, fact still remains, test get requested, you decline, you go under scrutiny. That's what type of era we are in in sports.




    No, reportedly they never even got that far in the convo because pac hung up. Pac never agreed to testing during any negotiations...ever. And what you fail to mention is that Pac said he would take the lesser share only to turn down the 40 million when offered. There's evidence out there that pac stated he would take the lesser share.

    Arum had no issue with taking the initial contract which had ODST included over to the Philippines for Pac to sign it, Pac is the one who made further demands.





    Its not a crime, thing is though floyd made that one demand that both were subject to and pac never agreed to it. Every demand pac made floyd agreed to. But that wasnt good enough apparently because after arum got all that from floyd pac still wouldnt sign it and made further demands. No compromise from pac's side at all.

    Again ODST was there from the beginning and the only one that had an issue with it from that side or either side was pac.


    Can you name any of the many demands floyd had during negotiations? There was only ever one negotiation and that was dec 2009. Anything either side says to the media is irrelevant because thats not negotiations.



    See bolded above and i havent seen him drop the title and i also havent seen anything from arum or pac stating that they plan to enforce their mandatory status whatsoever. Pac would be subject to 25% of the purse, you know they arent taking that.

    I can run off at least 25 excuses from Pac's side but its unnecessary because when it came time to make the fight we saw who did what and its documented.


    Because its clear Arum doesnt want to make the fight. He wont answer phone calls nor does he know why richards calls him but yet he wants the other side to contact him. Arum's actions in dec 09 ruined the business relationship. Its no point in any further attempts to do business with him, if he steps aside the fight gets made in no time just like the cotto fight.



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    Later he accepted in what negotiations? A whole 2 years later at that.

    I'll state again that any reason you give is irrelveant because thats not what pac, roach, koncz or arum said. They accepted the testing only for pac to reject it. And never once accept it.