Floyd Mayweather drops WBC welterweight title as Pacquiao becomes No.1 contender

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Scar, Dec 21, 2013.


  1. Scar

    Scar VIP Member Full Member

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    They made it an issue because Mayweather blatantly called them a bunch of cheaters that need to be tested. It was only later that they agreed on his demands only to be slapped with a new comical demand(I'm not going to repeat it for the 10th time).

    Contractual agreement or not, it was a new contractual agreement and it was considered a new rule. One man is demanding something completely new and a set of testing methods new to professional boxing. Not only that but he handpicked the organization he wants to deal with, which raises a lot of questions regarding credibility. Mosley-Berto was canceled in Mid-January, Mayweather-Mosley took place in May 2010. With Mayweather's already proven list of demands it's obvious he never wanted to fight anyway.

    Sure they did but they were nothing like what Mayweather demanded including openly handpicking the organization that suits him best.

    Please don't compare Malignaggi, who never fought Pacquiao anyway, to Mayweather. Two completely different guys with two completely different infamies. There's a reason no one remembers what Paulie demanded yet all remember what Mayweather did, different positions bring different reactions. Point is, he felt Pacquiao and his team were dirty, obviously because he was impressed and somehow worried about Pacquiao's performances back then, so he made a big deal out of it in disrespectful fashion. If you expect Pacquiao to continue to negotiating with a jealous hating barking dog(forced to apologize twice for his accusations and hate) then go ahead, rationality doesn't back that up which is why Pacquiao gave him his middle finger(something Mayweather wanted anyway).

    I appreciate bringing other sports into this since it's informative but this isn't baseball and yes I don't watch it nor do I care much of it. Two completely different sports with completely different results. Boxing is a one man gang sport and baseball is a group sport. Both aren't even psychologically on par with one another let alone physically.

    Sure, because Pacquiao was P4P#1 it's "mythical" yet when Mayweather held on to that title it was 100% official and made of gold. Sorry Symph, but I leave emotions out of my way of judgement when trying to discuss two boxers fairly and I've been(still am) a fan of both since 2003. Fact is, Pacquiao position was legitimate enough for Mayweather to be intimidated into calling him a cheater and demanding new testing procedures based on his choice. If you don't believe me, replay the video of Mayweather's rant on Pacquiao which I already linked and he will openly tell you.

    Sorry, but Pacquiao already agreed to testing and publicly said he will take those tests to make the fight happen. That's when Mayweather personally called him to demand something comically new(won't bother to repeat it).

    Of course he will, you make it sound like Pacquiao is Ortiz for crying out loud!. :lol: Why is it okay for Mayweather, who at the time was coming off a win over Marquez which didn't require testing for some reason, to demand whatever he wants yet it's a crime for Pacquiao to do the same?. I hope you see through this one day, Mayweather was playing public mind games and Pacquiao did the same.

    That one demand?, seriously?. At first it was that one demand which was frowned upon by the general public AND the media. Later it was more money. Please man, this isn't even worth debating anymore if you can't see through it.

    I explained to you why numerous times already, yet all you're doing is repeating. This is the last time I repeat what I already said. The first negotiations looked to be going well till Mayweather decided to bring the testing up in his contract or whatever with a load of public attacks and insults calling Pacquiao a cheater and completely dismissing his recent achievements. No one half sane was going to bow down to that except the likes of Guerrer, Ortiz and a desperate old Mosley. Please note that this demand was later accepted as Mayweather enforced it against those that were desperate for paydays(Mosley and Ortiz).

    It's the media that follow these negotiations and report to them instantly to keep people up to date with what's going on. If anything false was reported both sides wouldn't be quiet about it.

    Why would they bother?, isn't Mayweather already with SHOWTIME and isn't it clear that Mayweather wanted 100% of PPV earnings in 2012, in 2013 he would probably demand 100% of everything with literally $0 to Pacquiao. :lol: Who would even bother with a deluded ******* like that?. Wasn't Mayweather's latest response to a Pacquiao related question "He needs to wake up!, I'll go for Khan who is far more worthy".

    Of course we did and it will go down in history as some of the most comical demands the sport has seen. From more money to 100% of PPV earnings to me because "My health and life is on the line while you have a future in politics".

    Arum's actions in 2009 ruined the "relationship"?, why was Pacquiao vs DLH(Founder of Golden Boy) and Hatton signed then?. The one ruining relationships is the one publicly barking, insulting and calling others cheaters while demanding comical **** to suit his purpose.

    If he never accepted it then why did Mayweather openly say the fight didn't happen in 2012 because Pacquiao didn't accept to take $40 million and $0 for PPV earnings?. He could have blamed the "tests", right?
     
  2. Anima

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    Yep but when we go down the road.. It was always Pac who was bending over and agreeing to what Floyd wanted. The tests, the split etc. Fast forward years to now suddenly he doesn't want Bob Arum. Then what the hell are those demands back then?

    If Floyd said that he doesn't want to deal with Arum in the beginning, It would've been legit. But saying this after all the demands were out of the way?
    No amount if pinpointing would refute that, his attempt to give up his belt is only the icing on the cake.
     
  3. Tommy.™

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    I'm a fan of both but when it comes to who I really think would win it's Mayweather by a very comfortable decision. Three years ago it would of been much closer but I would still give Floyd the edge.

    I wish they would just get in the ring and close this debate for good.
     
  4. progamer

    progamer Boxing Junkie banned

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    erm, we have another, "im a fan of both, but i think floyd will win", type of fan.

    you dont need to say youre fan of both to have your opinion looks more credible. doesnt work that way, matter of fact, it does the opposite.

    ok, how will floyd win?
     
  5. Rock0052

    Rock0052 Loyal Member Full Member

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    It's not just a simple request for a drug test when you publicly get called out as a cheater first and that same guy handpicks the organization. That's just not how someone serious about making a fight negotiates for a demand in the real world.
     
  6. Rock0052

    Rock0052 Loyal Member Full Member

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    Bingo. :good
     
  7. MrMagic

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    History will not shine brightly on this.

    On par with Bowe vacating for Lewis, imho.
     
  8. progamer

    progamer Boxing Junkie banned

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    i dont it is as simple as that.

    it is not the belt.

    it is the ducking.

    bowe, at first instance, just said **** it i caant win.
     
  9. robert80

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    History, shows floyd has made the right decision! Has manny made the right decision, after been told the brutal truth by visionquest/ US/PHILLIPINES tax boys? Why should floyd give a guy a payday to a guy, who took you to court, instead of fighting you!
     
  10. Anima

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    Well nobody asked Floyd to slander the **** out of Pac. He's got no one to blame but himself.

    History would judge Floyd harshly. "My health comes first" , "What if I lose?"
    "He can have the belt". Direct quotations, no assuming things, no spinning , no conspiracy theories.

    If you really look closely, pulling out tax issues as reason not to fight your mandatory? You seriously believe that's a legit reason not to fight a guy? Especially for a champion?
     
  11. robert80

    robert80 Boxing Addict banned

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    He owes manny nothing! WHAT WOULD MANNY DO IF IT WAS FLOYD IN THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES? What would the world say, think before yoiu write son! Manny, should of listened too floyd/ visionquet, who told him the brutal truth! What floyd shoul of said, now your brokeback mountain, you wanna a payday! GTFOH, YOU FIGHT IN FEDERAL COURT AT BOBS INSTIAGTION, INSTAED OF FILING LAWSUITS AGAINST THE TWO CROOKED *******S
     
  12. markq

    markq Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    He was with ARIZA! It's not a slander if it's the truth.
     
  13. Staminakills

    Staminakills Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    paq fans owned so bad in this thread. i dont know who is more ignorant scar or programer.
    sadly they probably same poster. i will investigate their IP's and gateways to either prove no 2 people can be so dumb or prove to the rest, yes, retareded kids do still post on esb..

    neither of these kids will let facts help with their judgments. every single one of their post are 100% ambiguos language. and yes they are the same kid with alts, this until proven otherwise..
     
  14. DABOZ

    DABOZ Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Are you blind ? It was the boxing fans who's begging for Floyd to grow some balls.
     
  15. markq

    markq Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Are these the same fans who were saying, "Who does Floyd think he is?", "He can't dictate to Manny." when Floyd was trying to make this fight 2x already.

    Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.