The case of Ezekiel Brook

Discussion in 'British Boxing Forum' started by Mandanda, Dec 23, 2013.


  1. Mandanda

    Mandanda SkillspayBills Full Member

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    Alright fella's.

    Just been looking back at Ricky Hatton's career and how he came to his first legit world title fight with Kostya Tszyu.

    Aged 26 and 38-0 (Brook 27 & 31-0). Now when i look at Kell Brook's career he often gets berated and abuse for his steady and less then spectacular line of opponents. Hatton got not as much stick but he and Frank were questioned about the level of opposition as he came up.

    Hatton was part of the WBU years and he defended his title 16 times over the course of 3 years.

    His opponents varied from names from previous years that had seen better days to domestic level operators and some american club fighters.

    Now i do feel Hatton faced some better names in the lead up to the memorable night up in Manchester but i also do see similarities in Brook's management to this point. Some ex world champions, Ex world title challengers and some american/latin mid level opponents.

    Hatton probably faced more styles on the come up which could be detrimental to Brook if he gets the world title.

    Brook's his own worst enemy (lifestyle and mentality) but boxing is about timing and Hatton's and Frank W's timing was impeccable IMO.

    I hope Brook finally steps up next year and finally gets to fight for the IBF title. If he doesn't i'd be extremely disappointed and fed up but the point of this thread is sometimes we forget how our stars from the past got to the titles.

    Timing is major in this game. Brook isn't as good as Hatton IMO but i do see a similarity in Brook's guidance. Hatton was a pro 8 years when he faced Tszyu and Brook is currently at 9 years IIRC.

    My main point is Brook isn't the only guy to take a very long climb to a title shot and he won't be the last. Sportsman mature and develop differently and as much as some of it is his fault it could be great timing with Porter now champion.

    Thoughts?. I expect some stick but wanted to engage in some decent quality debate over this Christmas.
     
  2. WBCIBFWBAChamp.

    WBCIBFWBAChamp. Active Member Full Member

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    Nice post.

    Just look at khan, jumped up to world level quite early and now look his on the decline at the same age as brook..
    Meanwhile brook can only get better.

    Its not everyday jump straight into world level.
    Sometimes taking your time is better.
     
  3. Suarez7

    Suarez7 Member Full Member

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    All about making that money, Khan has made plenty through that route.

    Kell's aim in life is to get the khan fight, he's obsessed.
     
  4. A|C|S

    A|C|S The original |A|C|S| Full Member

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    Brook had a better chance against Alexander than Porter

    Brook's chin is open for right hands Porter stops him
     
  5. Mandanda

    Mandanda SkillspayBills Full Member

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    I fancied Brook to beat Alexander but Porter blows hot and cold. As much as he offers a threat offensively to Brook, Brook also offers the same to Porter.

    Porter's got some nice skills but he does get hit with a fair amount of right hands himself. The worry for Brook is Porter is able to work well at range as well as inside.

    It won't be easy but it's a winnable fight IMO. With Alexander he has the ability to totally ruin a fight and make it into a stinker. Porter's purity as a fighter may help Brook but it may also cease upon Brook's frailties.
     
  6. Farmboxer

    Farmboxer VIP Member Full Member

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    Well..............I really don't think Ezekiel has been the same since he saw the wheel way up in the middle of the sky...........
     
  7. zulander

    zulander Boxing Addict Full Member

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    very similar trajectories I agree.

    Kell is now starting to fight guys with lots of experience decent fighters - but he hasn't really faced anyone who been and done it at the top level. Like a Vince Phillips wins over Ward, Kosta and a few others I know he was faded by the time Hatton fought him but at least he had done something in the game.
    Kell hasn't really done that yet - he could almost do with shane mosley type of character someone whos been there seen it and done it and might have something level to test you out and then you could say their careers are identical. Kell does need a breakout fight tho something people will sit up and take notice off.
    If Broner comes back in his weight class id be all over that - Kells an accurate puncher and Broners d isn't anywhere near as good as he thinks
     
  8. korn96

    korn96 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Brook taking the stannah stairlift to the top get on with it already.
     
  9. Jim Bowen

    Jim Bowen MARVELOUS Full Member

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    Hypocrisy at its absolute pinnacle.
     
  10. Mandanda

    Mandanda SkillspayBills Full Member

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    Good post. Tend to agree :clap:
     
  11. Top Dog

    Top Dog Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Idiot. Brook has trained alongside Asians, so your talking utter garbage, away and stop talking pish
     
  12. Bub

    Bub Boxing Addict Full Member

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    What do you know about his lifestyle and personality?

    As for the rest of the post I' not sure how similar Hatton and Khan's career paths were up to this stage but I definitely do feel that Kell hasn't been pushed hard enough so far and that he's old enough and experienced enough to step it up now.
     
  13. Mandanda

    Mandanda SkillspayBills Full Member

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    Didn't say personality i said mentality (as a sportsman). He often seems to take setbacks in a really bad way and bloats up in weight from what i've heard and it seems like he even admits himself from interviews post Jones I.

    Also he likes a drink when not training like Hatton and his prep for Carson Jones I wasn't good enough. Hence why he brought in people to help him on nutrition and S&C. His lifestyle isn't a private affair he's like most lads his age but sadly as a boxer the sacrifices go deeper then just hard sessions in the gym.

    Khan wanted to be our youngest world champion and he was being pushed in a certain direction up and till Prescott and then Roach came in and his career direction changed rapidly.

    Hatton's like Brook's career was a slow burner but once it got going it was unforgettable.
     
  14. tdf1974

    tdf1974 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    good post well put....

    if anything , i would say Hatton fought worse opponents than Brook and for longer.Also if i remember rightly Kosta Tszyu had been out of action for 2 years before the Hatton fight and his best days were long behind him??


    what worries me about Brook is Eddie Hearn!!!!!i seen an interview with him the other day saying he thinks Alexander and Porter should have a rematch before Brook fights either one!!!!!!pushing any title fight for Brook further and further back and he also mentioned putting Brook on a Liverpool bill around March against a bum!!Brook should be on his 3rd or 4th title fight by now IMO but with one thing or another its looking less and less likely our Kell is going to fullfill his potential
     
  15. iceferg

    iceferg Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Hatton may have had more fights and nobody can doubt that he took his time but he was only a pro for 7 and a half years and 26 years old, Brook has been a pro 9 and a half years and is 27.

    Another big difference is that when Hatton was offered his madatory title shot he took it, Brook has pulled out twice. Also Hatton never struggled with guys like Carson Jones on his way to the top.