Joe Louis Vs. Wladimir Klitschko

On the contrary, it could strengthen the argument even further.

But seriously, I agree that Primo just isn't in Wlad's class. That is obvious. It does show though, that Louis was capable of easily crushing a 266 lb. man if he caught up to him; that size alone is never enough when facing an elite fighter.

I've made my pick and will stick with it, but it's both laughable and really quite sad when poor Joe is written off as a no-hoper just because he was a lot smaller.

 

What does that have to do with Wlad?

Wlad is not Baer, and Wlad has a glass chin. Everytime you watch a Wlad fight, the only interest is what will happen when a punch lands on Wlad's glass chin.

Remember, Wlad has been down at least 11 times in his career.

He has been fighting a lot of skilless bums throughout his career.

If Baer landed those shots on Wlad, the difference is, Carnera kept getting up to take that beating.

Wlad went down once from the wind of Sander's punches, and was crawling around on his hands and knees.

 

He isn't written off just because he is a lot smaller, though that is a huge part of it. He is being written off because it is ridiculous to think that an athlete from 70 years ago should be favored against one from today.

Could Joe win? Sure, in theory any man around 200lbs could KO a man at or above 200lbs. Primo is an awful example because, despite being a massive man that "looked the part" he wasn't remotely as coordinated, fluid or skilled as the big men that popped up starting in the 1990's.

 

Joe got KO'd by a former light heavyweight, you really want to make this argument? I mean really, using your logic, Wlad has gotten up each time he was KD'd as well.

 

Wlad is not a fluid puncher. Not even close.

He tried to string a combo together against Mariuz Wach and he looked stiffer than an 80 year old Carl Froch.

Wlad wins this fight only in Germany where he is allowed lean and jump all over Louis.

In a fair fight. Fist on fist. Wlad gets annihilated. Louis had some of the greatest footwork of all HWs and was able to connect on guys from out of range when they least expected it.

Wlad never dealt with skill levels like that in his entire life.

Buddy Baer was 6 foot 6 and he said he could not see the punches coming. He said it felt like there was 4 or 5 Joe's in the ring with him.

All these guy's slain by Joe could take sustaind beatings. A right hand landed on Wlads fragile head on body takes him out on the spot.

 

Seeing as how Wladimir has been hit a few times since the Brewster fight, and by some solid punchers, I'd venture to guess that his chin issues at this point are a bit overblown.

Once again, Joe was stopped by a former light heavy, so there would be serious questions regarding his ability to take a punch from someone like Wladimir. Additionally, comparing guys like Carnera and Buddy Baer to Wladimir is so off the mark that it is comical.

Finally, the mere fact that you detractors are making these Wladimir vs. ATG X threads means that he has already achieved the level of ATG, if not no need for the thread.

 

Like Sam Peter? Peter hit nowhere as hard as Joe and you best believe if Joe put him down , it would be in Wlads best interests to stay down. Joe finished guys off like no other and Wlad would have no answer for his speed and power. Wlad only survived Peter because Peter had no stamina past 4 rounds and had the mobility of a geriatric.

Joe was stopped by Max Schmeling and destroyed him in 1 round in the rematch. If you want to use that argument, Joe wins because Wlad lost to a journeyman who lost more fights than he won.

 

really people should lay off Carnera, he was a handful. He was neither less skilled nor slower than Wlad. Theres no need to try and put him down just to big up Wlad.

both Wlad and Carnera have their strengths, or they would never have won the world title.

 

We don't know if Joe hit harder than Sam Peter, never mind two of those punches were behind the head. We know Joe was a very hard hitter for his time, pound for pound one of the hardest punchers in boxing, but we don't know if a 195-205lb man from 70 years ago hits harder than a 240-245lb man today. Seeing as how sports don't stand still, I'd say in absolute terms, if we just measure the force of the punch, that Sam probably hit harder.

Look, you hate the Klitschkos, that is well known, but only a monumental fool would honestly pick an athlete from 70 years ago over an athlete today.

 

obviously sam peter doesn't punch as hard as joe Louis lol except on a certain planet of course..

 

In absolute terms, like if I had them both punch a sensor, he probably does. It isn't a knock on Joe, but you honestly want me to believe that boxing is the only sport where time stands still?

 

time stands still? things change, sport evolves. yes.

evolution doesn't mean increase in absolutes. evolution is just change to fit the current environment. Wlad gets sparked out fighting toe to toe in Sullivans time, but Jack Dempsey struggles to fit in in todays rules. Men were stronger in the past at many times in history than today, thats plenty of evidence for that. the starkest example is that todays men struggle to fit longbows that teenagers were expected to repeatedly use in training in medieval times.

Its hard to imagine any set of circumstances were the most feared champion n HW history who scared opponents shitless withhis spot on applied forces is a weaker puncher than fat boy Peter.

 

People who know boxing know Joe hit harder. Typical Klttard fanboys look at a guy like Peter and asume he could hit harder than Joe Louis.

Peter had no technique and didn't know how to throw a punch. Louis delivered a textbook perfect punch thrown from the legs up gernerating crushing power with each blow landed.

 

It does sound like I am having a dig at the Nigerian NIghtmare but I am not, he was a good HW and totally respect what he did, even managing to win a HW title at one stage. The K2s did well to deal with this guy, especially Vitali after retirement.

But comparing Peter and Louis, come on, I actually don't remember Louis being compared to any bit part titlist before the days of the internet - you would have to be mad to do so back then. I am not sure whats changed since then, perhaps the internet has allowed such minority views to surface, I don't know, or people get to type views that they havemt had a chance to discuss down the barbers shop/ ie socially yet, so their views don't get migitated by others and are allowed to grow.

 

I am not comparing accomplishments or abilities relative to the time. I am simply stating that an athlete 70 years later and in absolute terms, is most likely stronger and harder hitting. Seeing as how this is the case in every sport, I don't see why it wouldn't be in boxing.