It's shocking how many people get the Castillo fights wrong

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by YCGS, Dec 25, 2013.


  1. YCGS

    YCGS Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I'm not talking about who won, I'm talking about what Jose did well that gave Floyd problems. There is this stupid belief going around that the "blueprint" against Floyd is to bully him on the ropes. This isn't what Jose did well in my opinion. As evidence look at rounds 10-12 in their first fight... It worked pretty well, but Floyd stood his ground well too. Castillo's best rounds were 5-8 in the first fight.

    Here is what he actually did well:
    First couple rounds it was obvious he struggled with Floyds speed, but he started to figure things out.

    1. He used head feints and movement to make Floyd commit to either his defense or offense, then fired off his shots. He didn't come charging in throwing punches but by moving aggressively forward with head movement he forced Floyd to either move, or throw inaccurate punches. Castillos effective movement (head and feet) are what put Floyd on the ropes, not bullying.

    2. He started being able to guess where Floyd was moving. He had quite a few occasions where he correctly read that Floyd was either going to flee to his left, or bend to his right.

    3. Occasionally used his jab well. It's no secret that this is a punch Floyd has had some problems with (and anyone using a shoulder roll D) and Castillo found some good success when he came in from a low point

    4. In the second fight, Castillo did a better job of coming in low. In the second fight Floyd did a better job of using his jab to the body to back Castillo up, but Castillo adjusted by coming in with his head low and bobbing and weaving making it harder to land those clean shots Floyd is used to landing.

    5. Castillos patience As i said he didn't charge in with guns blazing. He was aggressive but waited for Floyd to commit to something.

    In my opinion, it looks like every guy who Floyd fights tries the bullying tactic (rds 10-12 in Castillo 1) but I personally think those rounds happened because of what Castillo did earlier. Floyd was injured in the first fight, but JLC still showed well in the second fight too.
     
  2. maciek4

    maciek4 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Castillo won the first fight but it was Floyd who adjusted to Castillo and won in the rematch. Can Broner do the same with Maidana ?
     
  3. Barrera

    Barrera Defeated Boxing_master Full Member

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    nah he had injured his shoulder (rotator calf i think) but still fought on. i feel he proved this in the rematch winning a much wider decision
     
  4. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    As for the scoring of the first fight, I do find it odd when Floyd seemed to clearly sweep the first 5 rounds, and fought even for the last third of the fight too, if memory serves...
     
  5. richie leon

    richie leon Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Excellent thread. Often in the first fight, Castillo maneuvered Floyd towards the ropes, where Floyd would lay back waiting for Castillo to come in so that he could roll and counter/step away... and then Castillo wouldn't come when Floyd expected him too, causing Floyd confusion. It was still pressure that was doing the trick, but smart and patient pressure with a good jab to go along with it. Cotto was more succesful then most against Mayweather because he can fight in a similar style.
     
  6. boxsensei

    boxsensei Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It's shocking how many people think an 11 year old fight, is still relevant in analyzing and evaluating Mayweather today.
     
  7. markq

    markq Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I didn't see this live back then but having watched it recently (several months back) because this was some supposed decisive victory for Castillo that's always brought up, it wasn't. We can all agree to disagree but it was a close victory for Floyd. I also wouldn't argue too hard against a win for Castillo. It wasn't a robbery by any stretch.

    Floyd winning the 2nd fight more decisively validates the victory. There is no blueprint unless the boxing gods hurts Mayweather's hands again.
     
  8. dannyboy147

    dannyboy147 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Most people on this forum have never seen the fights with Castillio, they also don't appreciate just how good he was.
     
  9. MrMagic

    MrMagic Loyal Member Full Member

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    :lol:
     
  10. captain k

    captain k Member Full Member

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    Funnily enough I watched these fights yesterday while the wife was doing the wrapping , first was close tight fight but you can see the that floyd learned from the first and in the second fight he kept moving and didn't go bak to the ropes the way he did in the first , the shoulder could have played a part as well. Someone above said they dont know why people watch these fights to evaluate floyd that's not why I watch them I enjoyed watching them o do see how floyd learned from these fights and developed into the genius he is today
     
  11. YCGS

    YCGS Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Agree. He showed some skills that you just dont see in fighters today. He accounted himself well in those fights.
     
  12. YCGS

    YCGS Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I also like rewatching fights. Sometimes you pick up things you never saw before. I also get a laugh out of the commentary. They kind of remind you of what the fans opinions were at the time and what the boxing scene as a whole was.
     
  13. YCGS

    YCGS Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Im not talking about Floyd today... this thread is more about the things that Jose did well and the misconception that he simply bullied Floyd. Im just saying that when Jose did do that it wasnt as effective aa the other stuff he did... but I bet you didnt even read the thread... did you?
     
  14. illwill007

    illwill007 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I think that most people ignore how good of a fight that was, much like the maidana/broner fight.
     
  15. timeout

    timeout Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    castillo was robbed that night of his title.

    blueprint? unbeaten? watch the fight to see how to beat void.