Muhammad Ali at his best vs. Wladimir Klitschko at his best, who wins?

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I see the village idiot, Elroy got back in his lane and is staying where he belongs in the general with the idiots and trolls...









(Non-idiots and non-trolls excluded, no offense to them)

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPNFoJX-_BA

Wlad is faster than Terrel.

Just look at the blazing speed of those chopping right hands.

 

if wladimir doesn't beat ali, his brother would

 

Just copy and paste a link. :good


The video evidence is irrefutable. The footage of Ali and Terrel was recorded on a much more primitive camera with a slower frame rate (thus giving the illusion of superior hand speed).

 

No, it finally became obvious to you that you can't keep up with sound logic and actual boxing experience and knowledge. You're in way over your head, son.

Mind you, I'm not speaking about myself, as that area is full of members that are far more knowledgeable than me. I've just been on vacation, full of booze, and had the time to waste on you.



Stay in your lane, boy... :hi:

 

Is that the only response you religious fanatics can come up with?

The typical, "I know more than you" esque diatribe, or "you DKSAB" garbage that keeps on being recited over and over again by the same megalomaniac fan base that consists of 99% percent of the self described boxing purists. Name me one aspect of his argument that can be factually decried as a logical fallacy.

I'm waiting.

 

Looks like you're in good company here, Elroy. With a few exceptions, there are plenty of ******s with absolutely zero boxing knowledge or ability to know what they're looking at to agree with you down here in the basement.


"The footage of Ali and Terrel was recorded on a much more primitive camera with a slower frame rate (thus giving the illusion of superior hand speed)."

Hahahahahaaa Pure genius!

 

You clearly haven't been following Elroy's embarrassing thrashing he's taken in various threads over the last week.

He has been utterly shut down with comprehensive analysis and examples.


Oh and if you haven't caught any "logical fallacies" yet.... Ouch. Get your parents to read the last week's worth of Elroy in this thread and all his magical works in the Classic forum and have them explain to you what's going on, because your reading comprehension and general logic isn't good enough to fully grasp what's going on here.

 

Such as? I haven't seen any such fact induced fulmination of his refutes towards the Ali lovers throughout the discourse that has transpired on this thread.

 

We keep asking you how Muhammad Ali could possibly contend with Klitschko when it is quite visibly clear that Klitschko possesses every physical advantage to his disposal. But not to our surprise, every retort of ours (regardless of how logical, polite, analytical, articulate, and factual) is met polemical reprehension.

 

Haven't read any of his works posted in the Classic (I'm a gay sycophantic self loathing liberal) section, but I'm sure that he has thoroughly schooled you or anyone else having the audacity to try and debate his irrefutable focal points.

 

Nice vocabulary, I'll break out my dictionary later when I want to understand what you actually said...

In short, the difference is that Ali had balls. Ali had one of the best chins ever, the most resolve, excellent movement, and he was aggressive; he wanted to hurt the other guy and get him out of there.

Wlad gets panicky when anyone goes after him and has zero defense other than backing straight up (mistake against someone who can fight and has balls) and clinching.


Wlad would lose the battle of jabs because he would be beaten to the punch by jabs and rights and by counters as well. Wlad doesn't counter. He doesn't let his hands go either- it takes him 3 or 4 rounds just to work up the gumption to throw his first right hand...

If you had been actually reading this thread you would have pucked up on all of what I justlayed down.

 

Heart isn't enough in this case I'm afraid.

Why is everybody under the impression that Wlad has no gall as a fighter? He came back from three TKO defeats to become arguably a top-10 ATG heavyweight is spite of his shortcomings.

Ali would not win a jabbing contest. Wlad has the 3 inch reach advantage hear, better accuracy, power, and dare I say skill as well.

Ali does not have a great chin as you guys like to always repetitively repeat without any considerations of stopping. He had a good chin. That's where it stops. A great chin is someone like Mariusz Wach. That thing is imperishable. Ali has shown he can be hurt, and dropped on numerous occasions in his career. That will not bode well against a fortress of bone, and muscle like Wlad who has renowned one punch power.

Ali has okay power, with a robust chin. Wlad has tremendous power, with a sub-par chin. The equalizer in this scenario is Wlad's punching power. It has more than enough pop to crack Ali's chin, and Wlad has more than enough speed and accuracy to deliver his authoritative right, or left hand bombs.

Ali will not be able to neutralize Klitschko with one punch. He would have to flurry. Unfortunately for Ali he will have a mountain to climb in trying to circumvent his way around that right hand of a jab that Klitschko has to land any effective punches. But alas another problem arises should Ali complete the difficult task of maneuvering inside Klitschko's jab; it's landing solid punches without being tied up like a pretzel by Wlad's prodigious strength advantage.

The way I see this fight going, is that for as long as is remains outside, Wlad scores points while keeping Ali honest with his thunderous jabs, and his thumping right hand shots.

Should Ali see the fight going on the inside, he will be having 240+ of man flesh enveloping his helpless carcass.

 

dealdealdeal

 

I've never seen so much ownage in my life before. We have both decimated any sort of argument supporting any claim of Ali's inherent superiority to the modern greats which are the Klitschko brothers. The only other heavyweights which would tread water with Wlad and Vitali are Lewis, Bowe, Holyfield, and some other modern pugilists of adequate size and athletic abilities.