Joe Louis Vs. Wladimir Klitschko

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Would favour Wlad but all it takes is one right hand and with OSDT and a ref that doesn't tolerate much holding, leaning and pushing...

 

Louis wouldn't be able to land a single meaningful shot on Wlad. Prime Wlad would hug him and tie him down all night and batter him from the outside. Zero chance for a guy coming in with a 50 lbs weight disadvantage.

Those who bring up Carnera. Carnera wasn't a trained boxer. He was a wrestler and circus attraction, much like Valuev, just with a glass chin. Carnera had one of the worst chins in HW history.

 

Really?

Then how did Louis get past Buddy Baer who not only leaned on Louis the entire fight, and outweighed him by 50 lbs, but he also threw shots while he was leaning on him.

Yet, Louis knocked him out.

 

The crux of your argument is modern nutrition and training methods. The training methods that are new is the addition of weight lifting and the addition of steroids in many cases.

That's what separates guys of the past from guys of this era. If Jessie Owens lifted weights, he would have run a sub 10 100 meter. It's about athletic potential.

You put Louis on weights, he adapts to this era and becomes a 12 round fighter.

However, in this case, Louis has proven time and time again that he didn't need weights to be a devastating puncher or explosive.

 

So Louis knocked out Carnera and Baer (who were crude classic era SHWs), so that means Louis will be competitive with fighters from 100 years in the future?

That's an absolutely ridiculous argument.

Jesse Owens beat sprinters from the 1930s with ease. How competitive does that make him with modern day athletes? :deal

 

For a guy that espouses modern training methods, you seem to be a bit of an imbecile.

You do realize that power lifters have the highest verticals as well as the fastest first step, and considering Galento used to lift Barrels of ice up and down the stairs that other men could barely move, it explains how RAPID and EXPLOSIVE his left hook was.

Honestly, if you look at the film, it's one of the most explosive left hooks the history of the heavyweight division.

Did you even watch the fight?

The issue with Galento is, he can be outboxed. Louis is a seek and destroy style of fighter.

He did take some shots, but like most power lifters, Galento didn't have the stamina to continue his powerful attacks and was beat down to the ground by Louis.

I guarantee you that what Galento threw in his left hook was just as powerful or more powerful than anything Wlad has in his arsenal.

Face it, Wlad has no chin and he went down once from the WIND OF SANDERS' PUNCHES.

If you want to talk about a great Klitschiko fighter, talk about Vitali.

Then you have an argument.

 

As other posters have repeatedly stated, the conditions were much different.

Additionally, Jesse Owens did not weight lift.

You make him lift weights, he would have put up times that would be comparable or in all likely hood, surpass the times of today, except for perhaps the most elite.

 

Well so what are we discussing.

Are we discussing putting classic fighters "as they are" in a time machine and transporting them into a 2013 ring. Or are we speculating that if Joe Louis was born today, was spotted as a talented athlete in highschool, then brought along by experienced trainers, with modern day exercise and sports science?

If the latter is the case, then I misread the entire thread.

Everything I said is always under the assumption we transport Louis (and Dempsey and have not) into our time at the age of their prime. Not before their birth.

 

The best ones could absolutely compete.

 

So how does Galento stack up with modern day construction workers? Certainly those guys also lift 100 lbs weights all day. Can they also throw a monster left hook? :rofl

 

This pretty much sums you up. You look at Wlads muscles and your feeble brain can't cumpute how he could be beat by any former great boxer.
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Your thought process on these matters really is that basic.

 

You seem to lack the capability to think critically.

What separates guys of today in sports like track and field is modern training methods, or specifically, strength training.

If you applied modern methods to athletes like Jesse Owen who is an athletic specimen, he would still be an athletic specimen, but he would be put in peak conditioning for his sport which would allow for peak performance.

However, boxing is not track and field. Many athletes in boxing today do not lift weights or strength train like track and field athletes.

Notably, some of the top fighters like Bernard Hopkins and Floyd Mayweather.

It's a different kind of conditioning required for boxing. It's not just a power and speed power sport, it's also an endurance sport.

You have to train for all of those aspects. You can't neglect any, especially at the championship level.

 

Apparently, Galento at 5'9'' 235 lbs, was freakishly strong, so I doubt it. Also, if you consider what he was lifting, huge barrels of ice, similiarly to a power clean and holding it on his chest before walking up flights of stairs, what is the difference between using that and a barbell?

 

No they couldn't. Any sport worldwide has improved leaps and bounds over the last 100 years. Athletes from that in the past - put in a time machine and transported into out times - wouldn't have a chance against modern day champions/elite athletes.