Joe Louis Vs. Wladimir Klitschko

How can sports science and technology enable a guy to have better balance and timing, to be able to throw a better hook and body shot etc?

It can't.

Boxing is an art.

It's the sweet science.

Sports science and nutrition etc can only help so much.

You can find a perfect specimen of a man. He can be the healthiest, strongest guy in the world. He can have a strength and conditioning coach, a psychologist, a trainer, a nutritionist and a masseuse etc.

It doesn't automatically mean that he's going to be an amazing fighter.

Some guys of yesteryear were poor, had poor training equipment and facilities, and did their roadwork in boots and baseball shoes.

But they were just as skilled, and were always in shape.

Some of today's so called superior athletes gas after the half way point and wouldn't be able to fight over 15 rounds, especially not once every few months.

There's also things today that aren't as common. I don't see as many body shots and uppercuts being used. You don't seem to see fighters fighting out of a clinch.

I don't care if Usain Bolt is the fastest man to ever live.

It doesn't mean that a fighter from 70 years ago, isn't as great as a fighter from today.

A fighter has to perfect a number of skills, such as:

Footwork
Balance
Timing
Defence - slipping, rolling, blocking.
Shot selection - hooks, double hooks, jabs, body punches, uppercuts etc.

Sports science and technology can't master the above.

History has not shown that today's boxers are the best of all time.

Go through each division one by one, and see for yourself.

Some divisions will be stronger than in the past, and some will be considerably weaker.

You have no evidence to support your argument.

Boxing is like no other sport.

I don't care how many world records have been broken in athletics etc.

If boxing had progressed each decade as a whole, along with the fighters, then each of today's divisions would be considered the strongest, and today's fighters would be considered the best.

But this is clearly not the case.

 

So Dempsey and Louis would look like amateurs against Pulev, Fury, Chisora and Arreola etc?

 

And??

 

What has conditioning got to do with mastering a number of skills, such as:

Footwork
Balance
Timing
Defence - blocking, rolling, parrying etc
Shot selection- hooking, jabbing, body punching etc

Enlighten me.

Are fighters in today's top ten pound for pound list, the best fighters of all time?

Are their divisions the strongest of all time?

Tell me.

 

True.
Taking that line of thinking to it's logical conclusion, the next decade of fighters will objectively be better than this decade's. The decade after that will be even better still, and so on and so on.

So in about 40 years, we can expect 300 lb. heavyweights with the speed of welterweights and the skills of a prime SRR across the board.

I somehow doubt that.

 

Yes, because sports science and nutrition are going to be more of an advantage to a runner.

I'm sure it's easier to run in a pair of today's running shoes, than shoes from 1936.

Today's runners are running in better equipment, are training in better facilities, and are probably eating better food.

But they aren't trying to time someone who's swinging punches at their heads. They're not trying to hit someone, while avoiding getting hit.

Can you not see the difference!?

Give a fighter a state of the art gym, state of the art equipment, a chef, a masseuse, and a sports psychologist etc.

It doesn't mean that he'll automatically be able to throw a left hook as good as a fighter from decades earlier, and have better footwork etc.

You are being so ignorant.

 

Tell us all how it's evolved.

You can't.

All you can do is give us stats on other sports.

Tell us specifically, how today's divisions are the strongest, and today's fighters are the best.

If boxing has evolved, it shouldn't be hard for you to explain.

 

Sprinting is an almost purely athletic endeavour. If a guy is naturally faster than you are, then unless he has a bad start, is carrying an injury, does not train or slips, there is nothing one can do to beat him. He will always be faster.

Boxing is an infinitely more complicated sport. The variables that decide the outcome of a fight are numerous and complex. It is as much a test of mental fortitude and focus as much as anything.

Objectively, boxing and sprinting cannot be compared at all, for any reason.

 

We don't give a f**k about other sports.

Tell us how TODAY'S fighters are more skilled than fighters of yesteryear, and be specific.

We're waiting.

 

Are you telling me that if we had a time machine and picked some fighters from the last 50 years or so, that they wouldn't have a chance against today's guys?

Wow!

It wouldn't be a race from point A to point B.

It would be a scheduled 36 min, tactical fight.


Unbelievable! atsch

 

You have to be one of the most ignorant guys on this forum.

All you've got is your sports science and nutrition argument.

Marathon runners in 1920, didn't have the same training equipment and facilities etc of today.

But how is that the same as fighting a man over 15 x 3 min rounds??

A marathon runner today may record faster times.

But that doesn't mean that today's MW's are the best MW's of all time.

 

Guys like Fury would **** Joe Louis?

 

F**ing clueless mate!

 

People on this forum don't seem to understand that the only real difference between today's athletes and those from the past in OTHER SPORTS, specifically, is STRENGTH TRAINING METHODS.

Squatting helps you run faster and jump higher.

They didn't do that in those days, but they were the athletic specimens of their days, which is to say, they would be the Usain Bolt's of today, if Usain Bolt did not do strength training nor take PERFORMANCE ENHANCING DRUGS, which he is UNDOUBTABLY on.

Boxing doesn't require the same type of muscle fibers because it is not just a speed sport. If you focus too much on strength, you lose hip flexibility, and your endurance suffers.

It's great if you're a 4 round fighter, but boxing is 12 rounds, and 15 rounds in the past.

And while you say, Galento doesn't have a good punch, it's because you don't understand styles because apparently, you don't have much experience with the sport.

Clearly it was effective if you consider his record. Galento could be beaten by walking around the ring and throwing jabs, but he was durable enough to land something at some point.

That spells bad news for Wlad if he lets Galento inside for even a second. If Galento gets inside and touches Wlad's chin, Wlad's china chin will shatter and glass will be everywhere.

I imagine that if Wlad couldn't even take a Sanders shot and went down from the WIND OF HIS PUNCH, he would probably fall to his knees multiple times in Louis' era.

 

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These fools have go no evidence.

All they have are stats on other sports.

I want someone to tell me, using specific examples, how boxing has evolved, and how today's divisions are the strongest, and how today's fighters are the best.