Someone explain why Ray Leonard is ranked so highly?

actually, no one Floyd has faced had the speed of a young Terry Norris

He's still p4p better than Ray any day

 

yeah sure u did, liar

u got nothing. you're a personal trainer, remember?

dime a dozen


as for Merchnt, Vito, Leonard (twice), Hearns, that's common knowledge. FACTS that altho painful to admit, cannot be ignored as u are trying to do

see> FACTS as as passed on by leonard himself to Ryan to the rest of us (see the tape then repeat it back for me)

Thank you TIm Ryan

matter of fact, a poll was conducted in the LA times and it was almost an even split between Leonard & Hagler

so this line that "everybody thought Hagler would destroy Leonard early" is easily disproven

PRIME Hagler yes, at the end of his career with 2/3 of his championship stripped, no


I give Ray credit. he shined against stiff legged types (no mobility, no hand speed)

If you resembled a week old balloon, he fared well and could win a close fight


but the minute he steps in with the young lions, (Norris, Nunn),, he's reduced to ordinary and suffers ever increasingly lopsided losses

all tat superior opposition his fans like to brag about, what good did it do for him?

If someone is that much better or faster than u, your experience isnt going to save u

say hi to piglatin for me

peace

 

h's also on record comparing the pathetic version of 1987 to the real Hagler of early 80s

slower than molasses, couldnt dent whipped cream

and unfortunately for u, leonard is on record telling why he waited 6 yrs for Hagler to dry up before calling him out

PS, ignoring questions doesnt help your case any

 

False. In the L.A. times poll, 92% (46 of 50) picked Hagler, including Merchant, who predicted a 9th round knockout.

 

false? you're the one who reeks of falshood. that's what I dont like about SRL fans, who resort to fabrications and exaggerations 100% of the time

you twice did whatever you could to discredit the testimony of Antuofuermo, that he couldnt be relied on. you even lied to cover that up, saying "I'm not discrediting Vito, I'm discrediting you"


according to the LA times poll it was just slightly in favor of Hagler including actors, actresses, and anyone connected with show business

Merchant did change his mind but initially chose Leonard, along with Thomas Hearns and Bob Arum

not to mention Leonard himself giving himself away with "I can beat him" after a full 6 yrs

Leonard was scared of Hagler, scared that he would fail and get publically humiliated in the same way he got scared off by nunn as he watched Mike knock Kalambay cold at ringside

I didnt see Leonard shout "I can beat Mike!" afterwards

he only does that when he sees worn out beaten up shells he didnt have the nerve to fight in previous years

how does Ray fare against the young, and fast?

look no further than Terry Norris. that's how he would do every time

 

all leonard fans are liars

 

Got a link to your L.A. Times poll? The one I'm talking about doesn't include actors and actresses or "anyone connected to show business." Why would it? What do they know about boxing? It was 50 boxing people. 46 picked Hagler.


Now, on to Antuofermo. At your request that "address the words of Antuofermo," I speculated about why Antuofermo would take such an anti-majority position (that Hagler was shot). Then, later, I read his comments in the New York Times and realized that you had simply lied about what he said.

Antuofermo didn't think Hagler was shot. He picked Hagler to destroy Leonard.

 

Ah, Rooster........

 

then its not the one I'm thinking of. could be the one done by the Herald. Heather Thomas from Fall Guy fame said it would be a pre arranged exhibition in which no one got hurt and that Hagler would come out with a spli decision

re Antuofuermo, i never lied; you just didnt see the interview

I remember how u tried dismissing Vito as biased with a poor excuse but what your own bias?you're a big time leonard fan but try to cover it up

I dont trust leonard fans becuz. never have --> "Hagler was only on a slight natural decline"

they actually tried making something out of Lalonde. they use the word "even" as in "He even beat lalonde"


As I recall, Leonard wasnt supposed to be fighting. first he said he was just coming back forONE fight - Hagler and that gave him the excuse not to defend his title

why fight and why fight someone of low caliber as Lalonde? no speed, no footwork, no coordination, no defense, no agility and yet there's Leonard fighting him in a total farce

it's a good thing I showed up when I did, with all that garbage about "Oh Yeah! Leonard's possibly the best fighter ever! Why not?"

when I come around, it makes u guys HONEST. when I'm not around it's like they say "when the cat's away the MICE WILL PLAY"

all i got to do is bring up the names Floyd Jr or Terry Norris and that shuts them up

if Ray couldnt dealwith Terry what wouldve happened against another well known speedster - Ray Robinson?

Does anyone seriously BELIEVE Robinson vs Leonard wouldve been a competitive fight?

even in the Duran rematch, Duran had just dropped 40 + pounds

it seems that no matter what Leonard does, something always seems to put a damper on it

including his biggest win, over Hagler

Hagler with no future ahead of him, was only 1/3 title holde at the time and not the legitimate title holder of the past - Undisputed title holder

question: if Hagler WASN"T shot, why did he never fight again?

and why did Leonard keep saying after the Mugabi fight :I can beat him!: when he sat ringside at Marv;s fights all the way back to his first defense, yet never made the same claim?

also, why didnt Ray make the same claim about Nunn after Mike put Kalambay to sleep?

 

ahhh i still miss this place

 

And an ATG chin to boot

 

Now that's not fair. Norris' chin was granite. It's his temples that were soft.

 

Benitez and Hearns will do for me.

First, Money is 36. And he retired for 21 months.

Leonard beat Hagler--the undisputed champion--after a 5-year retirement, with one fight in between.

Four full years AFTER THAT did Leonard lose in your beloved Norris fight.

Ray fought 7 times in 10 years after the Hearns fight! His assets as a fighter diminished exponentially with every passing year of inactivity.

Yet, he still beat Hagler.

You place undue stock on Leonard's last losses. Again, Norris beat him 4 full years after Leonard as an old man squeaked past Hagler. Camacho beat Leonard 10 years after the Hagler fight!

Hearns is a multi-weight all-time great. He needs no embellishment. Leonard beat such a man in that man's prime.

You say Hearns was a reed. Man, you don't know what you're talking about. Hearns was a destroyer at welterweight--with excellent boxing skills to boot. His dethroning of solid champion Cuevas was great stuff. Leonard beat such a man.

Do you know what SHOT means?

No undisputed champion coming off an 11-round knockout vanquishing of a Beast such as Mugabi is in any way SHOT. It is a ridiculous claim.

Sure, Leonard capitalized on Hagler's NATURAL DECLINE. That was Leonard's only hope. All great champions go through that phase: they are slipping compared to their peak years, yet still better than anybody else. Hagler was still a tremendous force. He had just beaten the No. 1-ranked contender.

It took a hell of a man to dethrone him, and that man was Ray Leonard.

 

This is a reasonable question. And first off I am a big fan of Hagler, Hearns and Duran.

Leonard was about as good and complete a fighter as ever existed he was fast, hit hard, was tough as hell, great chin, killer instinct, a true ring general.

The issue with Leonard that causes controversy was he was part ATG and part product who really was a great showman. Leonard was a personality that brought millions into the sport and when motivated could no kidding fight better than most.

The thing that really detracts from Leonard was he was such a showman and fought sparingly towards the end of his career. He literally selected any opponent that could make money regardless of how great they were. He was IMHO the smartest fighter when it came to analyzing fighters for fan appeal like Hagler as well as the loss in potency, once he saw Hagler slow down and saw enough of his personality he jumped on it. Hagler was a prideful fighter who would fight the other fighters fight like he did with Mugabi and Duran just so he could crush their soul by beating them at their specialty. Leonard didn't win the fight IMO but he was brilliant in his strategy to capture the judges the final seconds.

He could fight, promote, sell and deliver when needed.

I doubt Leonard in his reasonably short career gave a care in the world about being an ATG if he had I believe he wouldn't have left any doubts but he was a businessman first and that is where the fans feel cheated by him.

 

Even you give Leonard to much credit here RED, was'nt it at the Leonard/Duran II after fight presser in New Orleans that Tommy gate crashed the show and called out Leonard, who then twisted & squirmed & said he'd only fight Tommy Hearns once he's [Hearns] earned the right to fight Sugar Ray Leonard when he's beaten an opponent of the caliber of a Roberto Duran.......when he's achieved that, then I'll fight him, with that, Tommy threw a rubber chicken at him

As per usual you are spot on with educating/exposing these green horn xmas gift SRL greatest hits cd fan boys as to how this charlatan operated & got away with the biggest fraud in boxing history.:yep