The "All Things Mayweather/Pacquiao" Express!!!!!!

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  1. leone25

    leone25 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    No. Pac is still a big threat to floyd's health
     
  2. FilipMNE

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    Thats something we dont know, its like asking will it happen if Arum builds a stadium...
     
  3. robert80

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    When did vada come into existence? margaret goodman, says the usda is the gold standard right! What international body is vada recognised by please?
     
  4. boxon123

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    Look up who Travis Tygart is! the defender of one hundred + US Olympic Athletes positive drug tests . USADA cannot be bought ROFL
    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1028591/index.htm
     
  5. boxon123

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    24/7/2000
    US athletes face doping allegations

    KERRY O'BRIEN: Less than two months before the flame is lit for the Sydney Olympics, the United States is facing serious allegations of cheating -- from its own former anti-doping watchdog.

    According to Dr Wade Exum, who ran the American Olympic movement's doping control program, more than half of all US athletes caught doping before the Atlanta Games went unpunished and some of them even went on to win medals.

    Dr Exum has quit his US Olympic Committee job and is taking his former employer to court, claiming his anti-drug efforts were sabotaged.

    His allegations couldn't have come at a worse time for the Olympic movement, which is struggling to maintain the credibility of a drug-testing program unable to detect a whole range of new high-tech performance-enhancing substances.

    Sean Murphy reports.

    DR WADE EXUM, FORMER US OLYMPIC COMMITTEE: The rest of the world looks at the USOC drug testing program with that fox guarding the henhouse mentality.

    The world perception is that the USOC does not run a doping control program, they run a controlled doping program.

    I can tell you that there are names.

    I can tell you that there is proof.

    SEAN MURPHY: The worst fears confirmed for those fighting the scourge of drugs in sport.

    Less than two months before the Sydney Games, the world's most powerful sporting nation stands accused of cheating by the very man employed to catch its drug cheats.

    Dr Wade Exum, the former head of the US Olympic Committee's doping control program, has quit in disgust.

    DR WADE EXUM: You'd have to say that I consider myself to be not so much a whistleblower as somebody who's seeking to expose some wrongdoing.

    SEAN MURPHY: According to Dr Exum, before the Atlanta Olympics, half of all the American athletes caught doping escaped punishment and some of them went on to win medals.

    He says his fears about sanctioned drug use were confirmed within months of joining the US Olympic Committee in 1991.

    DR WADE EXUM: They came to me and asked me to participate in a project in which they wanted to give athletes what they called ATP injections -- that's aginicent triphosphate.

    That's the fuel that muscle cells actually operate on and I refused on the basis that I thought it was unethical to give people things in a non-medical fashion for non-treatment, but just to see if it would help performance.

    I also thought that even if that substance wasn't directly named or on the IOC list, that it was at least aiming in the direction of doping.

    SEAN MURPHY: The allegations come as America's best track and field athletes are vying for Olympic selection.

    The US Olympic Committee has dismissed the claims as patently false, but Dr Exum maintains detailed evidence will be given to the US Federal Court.

    DR WADE EXUM: Much of it is in the form of confidential information that really is -- I'm not trying to sensationalise, I'm not trying to make anybody look bad, I'm not trying to -- I think the USOC said that I was trying to tarnish the image of American athletes.

    You can't really tarnish the image of somebody who's dirty on drugs or somebody who's cheated for ill-gotten gains, so those athletes who are clean and who compete on a fair and equitable basis, none of their reputations will be tarnished.

    SEAN MURPHY: Dr Exum's allegations follow claims at the Sydney-based world anti-doping summit last year that the US was slow to act against drugs in sport.

    JOHN COATES, AUSTRALIAN OLYMPIC COMMITTEE: We in Australia have been less than impressed with the efforts in America and if you were to do a survey of the athletes, they'll tell you the country that's the major problem.

    SEAN MURPHY: Australian Olympic Committee boss John Coates isn't commenting on Dr Exum's claims today, but Australia's Athletes Commission is.

    SIMON BAKER, AUSTRALIAN ATHLETES COMMISSION: They've got the facilities, they've got the research, they've got the motivation to be using drugs across the board in many different sports.

    Within the Olympic sports then we think it backs up all our own suspicions about US athletes SEAN MURPHY: But as the recent admission by Australian discus thrower Werner Reiterer of his own drug use shows, no country is above suspicion.

    DR KEN FITCH, WORLD ANTI-DOPING AGENCY: There are always going to be bad eggs in their own paddocks and these bad eggs are unfortunately going to cause us some grief, particularly if we point the finger at other people.

    SEAN MURPHY: Former Australian Olympic team Dr Ken Fitch is the medical adviser to the new world anti-doping agency.

    He believes the US legal system has worked against efforts to clean up sport.

    DR KEN FITCH: The legal issues over there, they don't use the Court of Arbitration for sport, they go to general courts.

    This has caused some of the people in the anti-doping movement to be so frustrated because they lose every single case that goes to court and not only do they lose the case, the damages are given against the sporting organisation.

    SEAN MURPHY: Last week, Federal Sports Minister Jackie Kelly launched Australia's true champion passport -- an initiative which gives Olympians like Ian Thorpe and Louise Sauvage a chance to publicly record their drug test results.

    JACKIE KELLY, FEDERAL SPORTS MINISTER: It's an opportunity that athletes have to demonstrate that they haven't broken any rules, that they are clean, that they have subjected themselves to one of the most rigorous drug-testing regimes in the world.

    SEAN MURPHY: But it's a boast Australia's drug testers say they can't live up to.

    Isn't it the case that while you've got substances like human growth hormone and others that are currently undetectable, you can give no guarantee that an athlete is clean?

    NATALIE HOWSON, AUSTRALIAN SPORTS DRUG AGENCY: Well, that is the case and that's why we're putting so much pressure on getting these detection methods advanced.

    But at the end of the day it's not only a scientific and medical question.

    And what today was really about was giving athletes the opportunity to make an ethical or moral stand.

    I mean, athletes that are clean don't have too many options available to them to come out publicly and say, "This is what I stand for".

    SEAN MURPHY: One of the biggest issues for the Sydney Games remains whether athletes will be blood tested.

    Next week in Lausanne, the International Olympic Committee will consider an Australian-developed test for the endurance booster Erythropoietin, but there remain serious legal and scientific barriers to its implementation.

    DR KEN FITCH: The base research has been published in a refereed journal as recently as last month, but the validation studies which have been done in a number of labs and using different ethnic groups of athletes to ensure that we're not going to have any false positives, this can't be published in the short time available.

    SEAN MURPHY: A team of eminent scientists hand-picked by the IOC will now consider the evidence.

    But the International Union of Cyclists has decided on independent action against EPO use at the Sydney Games.

    After rejecting a urine test developed in France as scientifically unreliable, it will freeze samples in Sydney for possible future testing, but the IOC won't follow cycling's lead.

    DR KEN FITCH: The IOC doesn't have that provision in the statutes and it wouldn't be possible in this lead-up time to change the statutes to allow for retrospective sanctions to be applied.

    SEAN MURPHY: In the meantime, though, athletes tempted to use drugs to boost performance may be risking more than their reputations.

    DR WADE EXUM: You all know about the list of athletes who have sort of died and the list of athletes who've died of mysterious causes and have had suspicions of drugs around them.

    I actually believe that these drugs do have deleterious, even fatal effects, primarily because as a physician my belief is that you use drugs and medications to treat medical conditions.

    SEAN MURPHY: Dr Exum believes it will take athletes prepared to come forward before the Olympics are rid of the drugs menace.

    Australia's Athletes Commission believes now could be the time to try something radical to make that happen.

    SIMON BAKER: Let's have immunity, let's have a truth and justice commission if that's necessary, with immunity to the people saying things.

    Let us come out into the open and say, "Yes, did it happen, "who did it and who was involved," without necessarily having to have the fear of legal action being brought against whoever was involved.

    KERRY O'BRIEN: We approached Federal Sports Minister Jackie Kelly and Justice Minister Amanda Vanstone, who is currently acting as Australia's representative on the world anti-doping agency, for an interview on the issues raised.

    Both declined.

    We also approached the Australian Olympic Committee head, John Coates, but he was also unavailable.

    Transcripts on this website are created by an independent transcription service. The ABC does not warrant the accuracy of the transcripts.

    http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/stories/s155405.htm
     
  6. boxon123

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    Look up who Travis Tygart is! the defender of one hundred + US Olympic Athletes positive drug tests . USADA cannot be bought ROFL
    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1028591/index.htm
    http://seattletimes.com/html/sports/2009058507_apathgatlinlawsuit.html
     
  7. boxing_master

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    147 is not hatton weight floyd made him blow up to it
     
  8. boxing_master

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    floyd fought canelo at catchweight right ? also floyd always blows fighters up to weights they shouldnt be fighting in like marquez hatton ext
     
  9. aussie opinion

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    It'll Neva happen it will be like "What if Ali fought Marciano" type of fight, personally I think it could go either way and that's why Mayweather's management are scared to take the fight, hyperthetically if he does get beaten he would lose millions, take the safe root and fight good not so dangerous fighters it's money in the bank... The one thing about Pacquiao is he a champion and and punches with bad intentions and Floyd takes his status for granted I think if the to met Floyd would see a early night and I really hate both fighters !
     
  10. boxing_master

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    no floyd will find anthere reason to duck the fight like saying leave roach
     
  11. progamer

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    best win against trex corrales =goat :rofl:rofl:rofl

    rigondaux with 12 fights has better win than floyd:deal

    floyd = lifetime achievement award, no oscar lmao.
     
  12. DJN16

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    It really comes down to which fighter you prefer. Both have had excellent careers, Floyd is more talented and has all round better skills yet Pacquiao has had a more exciting career IMO. I would choose Mayweather based on that there are more all time great fighters in history that he could potentially defeat ahead of Pacman.
     
  13. ApatheticLeader

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    Yeah, I heard EXACTLY this 3 years ago. Floyd is pissing me off - mainly because he would win comfortably!
     
  14. boxing_master

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    lets look at the facts pacs weight was 144.ibs and margos weight was 150 so their is 6 ib differnce if he wanted to be like floyd he could of got margo to 147. floyd weighd in at 150 for canelo and canelo himself was at 152 so 2 ibs differnce

    pacquaio didnt just pot shot to win he batterd the bigger man
     
  15. timeout

    timeout Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    what zombie drainelo?
     
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