The "All Things Mayweather/Pacquiao" Express!!!!!!

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  1. progamer

    progamer Boxing Junkie banned

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    talent/skill = competition.

    did he try his talent/skill against prime williams/martinez/dela hoya/cotto/mosley/margo/pac?

    hell no.

    beating ortiz/guerrero/shot cotto/part time boxer dela hoya /granpa unroided mosley/drained a nobody/ does not ezual to more talent and skill.:deal

    floyd never tried his better skills/talent in his 6th, 7th div, let alone 8th.

    pac>>>>floyd. always has been always will be.

    joecal beating hopkins> floyd's entire career.
    jmm beating/koing pac> floyd's entire career.
    rigondauz beating donaire> floyd's entire carreer.

    pac is oscar winner back to back (fotd, 8div champ).

    floyd lifetime achievement award beating a collection of nobodies, good ones were past prime, others he cheated on scales or drained.

    floyd best win = trex corrales and lost to castillo:rofl


    edit; pac's ko of ledwaba on 2 weeks notice is better than floyd's win against corrales.:deal
     
  2. progamer

    progamer Boxing Junkie banned

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    pac was floyd;s idol in lower weights.

    pac tore up floyd's division and more.

    floyd was like, quack quack quack.:rofl
     
  3. TowersOfIce

    TowersOfIce Max Kellerman ruined HBO Full Member

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    You're actually letting them off the hook here. If a 50 lb man beat a 100 lb man, that would be much more of an accomplishment than a 200 lb man beating a 250 lb man, even though both beat a man 50 lbs bigger.

    Manny started professional boxing as a light Flyweight (108 lbs). When he beat Margarito (165 lb), he beat someone who weighed over 50% of Pac's early career weigh-in weight. This is the equivalent of Mayweather beating someone who entered the ring at 198 lbs. If, for whatever reason, you disapproved of making 108 lbs Manny's original weight and chose 112 lb instead, it would change the Mayweather equivalent 198 to 191 lbs.

    Considering he is undefeated and has looked great throughout his career, I don't believe Mayweather would have to go quite that high to match Pac. If he used his last 4 fights to beat, say, Quillin, Chavez jr., Stieglitz, and Kessler I'd say he would be greater than Pac.
     
  4. slash

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    hard to argue with that. but.. if mayweather had actually fought and beat pacquiao (even knowing pacquiao had the serious size disadvantage)
    i would rank mayweather higher. instead, a) mayweather didn't want none of that and b) pacquiao probably beats him to this day.. styles make fights. pacquiao straight left is all wrong for junior.
     
  5. masterold

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    Let's not forget that Bob Arum gave Mosley, Marquez and Bradley the same ultimatum when they were with Golden Boy and Gary Shaw; leave your promoters and sign with Top Rank to get a Pacquaio fight. Shoe is on the other foot now.
     
  6. progamer

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    there is no other explanation. pac is phenomenal, once a generation athlete/fighter/boxer.

    pac changed the game, much like other generational talent in other sports did.

    osdt is actually a credit to pac not floyd.

    floyd did not ask any of his previous opponent with osdt including marquez (who arguably bet pac 2x) until generational talent like pac came along.

    "he was walking down cotto", was how floyd assesses his chance against pac. pac was so good he needed to be tested.


    in the future, when a good boxer captures 4 championships in 4 different divisions, thats barely half of what pac has accomplished, and is already a hell of accomplishment in itself.


    pac changed boxing forever.
     
  7. progamer

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    except that floyd is asked to fight pac since columbus stole america from the natives.

    there was no talk to leave arum then, only drug test bull****.

    what happened to take the test:hi:
     
  8. modernfonzie

    modernfonzie Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Its New Years. YOU must have turned up too much. SO Ill excuse you when you say Pac beats Floyd at anytime. Floyds been beating champions. Pac just beat Rios. Lets be real. The fact remains that you Pac fans are irrational. YOU should want him to leave. Hes being robbed. How can you defend that?
     
  9. modernfonzie

    modernfonzie Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Exactly. Times have changed. He should leave Arum.
     
  10. progamer

    progamer Boxing Junkie banned

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    you mean draining? lmao.

    floyd drained a nobody, in his own division.:hi:

    its not my business how pac run his life. maybe you should focus more flipping burgers better so you get promoted:deal
     
  11. Scar

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    Pacquiao doesn't need to change his entire promotion and management to make one fight. When he's requested to do that by his opponent you should immediately know that his opponent is a deluded moron. If Pacquiao is satisfied with his promotion and management it's his own business and problem. I don't remember Pacquiao asking Mayweather to sign with TOP RANK to make the fight happen in 2010 when it actually meant something.
     
  12. modernfonzie

    modernfonzie Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Lol Cotto 145. Margs 150 DLH 147 . Requested Shane for 142 before Floyd tapped him. KO6 Marquez. SD12 Bradley.

    Just stop.

    And I know for sure I have more money then you but thats a story for another day.
     
  13. Tekniqs

    Tekniqs Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Cuz he cheated shane..... It's a double edged sword for floyd.... If shane (any of his opponents) are competitive in the ring, then haters will claim floyd was exposed. But since he wins dominantly, people say it's a cherry pick.
    Reality is there simply isn't many boxes in his division or lower than can give him a competitive fight..
     
  14. Scar

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    Pacquiao didn't invent catchweights and Mayweather's recent fight confirms this. Cotto accepted the catchweight when he clearly said no to anything below 145, Concreto was fought where he belonged and did you expect Pacquiao to move up 3 weight divisions for DLH?. Already moving up two weight divisions had him as a solid 3 to 1 underdog.
     
  15. progamer

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    youre ****ing idiot.

    pac had 1 fight at 135 when he was asked to fight dela hoya at 147.

    you think pac should fight dela hoya at 154? lmao. who will sanction this. who has done 3 weightclasses in the history of boxing? pac was so good he is expected to fight 3 weight classes above his previous weight.


    pac was never settled at 147 when he fought cotto, and supposedly mosley. both big ww's. he went back at 140 after fighting dela hoya. so the c/w was justified.

    magrgo was a career ww, being asked to fight 3lbs more above his career weight. and, pac fought in his 8TH weight division.

    who has done 7divisions, let alone 8 in the history of boxing?

    floyd asked c/w against a nobody with **** stamina at full limit, where floyd is the current champion, in his 5th division. this is laughable at the highest order.:hi:

    edit: lmao at sd12 bradley.

    pac "that was lucky punch. let's pay pee drinker 3x more money to make sure he accepts the 5th and prove that was not lucky punch".

    jmm "getting schooled by bradley for 3x less money is better" lol.
     
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