Fixed Fight series part 2 Larry Holmes

...hey, guys...relax. this guy is a phoney..

 

I don't think Larry was involved with the mob, but when he said what he said about Rocky Marciano, who knows what part that played in the Spinks fight.

 

I don't know much about Holmes, never been interested in him, but it's always nice to read these conspiracy theories. Anyone knows what happened to Senor Pepe? He used to make these interesting anti-Ali threads I used to love.

 

I see Il Duce or whatever he was calling himself is back.

 

If you were "there" an an insider back then, you ain't doing nothing to anyone in a boxing ring in 2013.

 

I wonder how many times you have been on here, and with how many user names ,and every post ****.

 

Twas an interesting read but I don't know you could say Holmes had a 'glass' jaw. He went down a few times and maybe some refs would stopped him against Snipes after he stumbled into the turnbuckle but he did get up and recover. I'm sure a lot people believe those with the real power in society are invisible but it doesn't make every conspiracy theory true. It's well known the 'mafia' ran boxing for a long time but I've never read\seen when that supposedly ended. Don King is as crooked as they come, all you need to know him is he's murdered at least one person (I vaguely recall a mention of a 2nd but not sure) who owed him money and only did 3 years. I do believe Liston threw the 2nd fight with Ali purely based on Liston having a good chin, Ali not being a 'one shot' type puncher and the fact most people refer to it as the 'phantom right'.
But yeah unless you were an infant at the time you were a bagman you can't claim to be a boxer today. Are you claiming to be a trainer or promoter?

 

Firstly, 99% of boxers participate in 'fixed fights', - fixed, that is, to some degree. As for the sport itself - the whole thing is fake or crooked. The sport is built on fakery and inconsistent rules. It's so blatant, fans complain about it every week.
Pro boxing has taken it to such absurd extremes that only hardcore fans can take it seriously or attempt to understand it. And they damn it in every breath !

But, hey, cinema and TV is 'fake' too .... (not to mention religion) ... so there's really no need for people to get upset.


Larry Holmes admits to paying off officials in his 'autobiography', which I have. He complains about all the kickbacks he had to make. There's not much reason to doubt it.

The rest of it, I don't know.

He was a great fighter anyway.

 

Absolute nonsense

 

the man who got up from THAT punch from shavers ??....a glass jaw ??

 

Don King knew a lot of people but was beholding to only Don King....he was a smart enough street guy to work people and manipulate and maneuver but he was not controlled by the Mob ( especially since Cleveland would have been overruled by NY....this is a fable

While Holmes did enjoy the benefits of close decisions, bribed and favorable ratings and rating manipulated and avoidance navigation I for one can not actually recall a fixed fight.

Holmes fought many inexperienced fighters with 10-2-2, 10-0, 13-0,14-0,14-0-1, 15,16, 18-9 records fights and may have fought others that were far less deserving than others but I do not recall any fixed fights.

Holmes could fight, had a good chin and recovery power, had one of the best jabs in the business and was always in condition.

Did he avoid the better fighters of his era YES

Did King maneuver & manipulate judges and rating to set up opponents for Holmes YES

Did Larry never unify his title against Tate,Coetzee,Dokes,Page,Thomas,Weaver and for the most part avoid these fights YES

Did Holmes ever rematch a tough fight NO

do we know of any fights that Holmes had that were fixed or fighters took a diveNO

So while I think Larry was a great fighter I do not feel that he actually proved it against the better fighters of his era or the better or more capable punchers...while Larry did show great recuperative powers against Shavers there were many other fighters like Quarry,Young,Lyle,Mercado,Ali,Stallings,Stander,etc. that were able to handle Shavers best and survive to win....and as far as the Snipes fight Reynaldo had just been dropped 2x by Coetzee and King helped steal the title shot away from Coetzee but almost payed dearly vs Snipes

So while I can not have blind faith without fact or proof and call Larry a top 5 ATG heavyweight i still think he was a great fighter who could have perhaps proven MORE or LESS had he fought the best and unified & rematched tough fights

 

He definitely should have rematched Witherspoon, Weaver, and Williams, for sure.

 

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