Joe Louis Vs. Wladimir Klitschko

Check out this Joe Louis video.
It puts into perspective how truly awesome this guy was:

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=the+subtle+skills+of+joe+louis

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R78hdxpRfws

 

Joe Louis is one of my favorite fighters ever. I've watched most of his tapes.

He was absolutely brilliant, specifically his timing above all else.

I just love how most Grabimir hardcores are saying Joe Louis had a weak chin, when Dr. Grabimir himself has an even worse chin and enters the ring in panic mode. Joe Louis was a natural fighter unlike Grabimir.

 

Parrying shots was much more common than slipping or blocking them in Louis’ day, especially among heavyweights. Part of the difference lies in the evolution of the boxing gloves. In their time, gloves were much lighter (4-6oz - the size of a modern MMA glove), more flexible and didn’t have tie tabs to force a closed fist. The smaller, less padded gloves were inferior shields than their modern counterparts, so blocking was less effective. Like many fighters, Louis liked to keep outstretched in order to more easily intercept blows and more quickly land his own jab. The downside of such a stance is that a large hole is created in one’s guard. Louis’ jab was fairly slow and often weak, used more as a set-up than an authoritative punch. It retracted slowly and seldom went back to his chin. This would not work against someone like Wlad who has massive size and reach advantage coupled with devastating punching power.

 

Dr Velcro hammer's even said he was faster than Joe:nut

The difference between the 6'5 + guys of today is that they lack stanima and ability to take punishment.

Primo Carnera .....unlike Vlad .....MOVED FOREWARD and fired NON-STOP.
He got off the canvas and continued fighting.

So did Jess Wilard and Louis Firpo.
Those giants of yesteryear were a LOT tougher than today's fragile robots.

 

Not a bad analysis...but the only thing is that Wlad doesn't counter. If an opponent throw punches, Wlad back off or holds.

Oh yeah, I'm still waiting for a reply to my previous question...have you ever picked against Wlad?

 

Now you're just playing dumb.
Fighters in Joe's era didn't just parry they SLIPPED as well.
Vlad can't slip or parry.

Joe's jab was not slow and it sure as hell wasn't weak.

Vlad drops his slow-motion jab to his waist ALL THE TIME...what about that:think

Vlad keeps his feet too far apart which drastically limits his defensive options.

Plus

He can't move foreward:deal

If he finds himself behind in a fight there is no way he can get back in the lead because HE WON'T MOVE FOREWARD.

Size means nothing...Primo Carnera had size...plus he was BRAVER and actually moved foreward.That didn't help him nor would it help the fragile Ukranian.

No way does Vlad's fragile as.s get off the canvas as much as Primo did.

It took TWO Klitchko's to beat ONE Chris Byrd:rofl

 

did you read the part where he said Joe's jab was slow and weak:nut

 

Name five heavyweights with a better straight right than Wlad. The combination of speed, power, range, straightness, and accuracy he has with it is unparalleled.

 

Prime Brewster would decapitate Louis. Absolute mismatch. Unfair comparison to Louis really, comparing him to a top 3 HW from 80 years into the future.

Mayweather would get clowned by an ATG level MW in 2113. Just like Ali would get absolutely destroyed by the leading HW of the 2060s.

 

Yes, Louis' era was stacked his high quality opposition :rofl

Here are two guys Louis fought and believe it or not the nutheads in this bring up Galento and Baer as 'skilled fighters' and 'dangerous punchers' -- yet in the 30s this fight was referrred to as the 'battle of the bums':

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You see how well they're SLIPPING punches? Oh and the PARRY! Louis had to dig deep to beat these highly skilled guys :rofl

 

Wlad began his title regain and won his major belt against Chris Byrd.

Byrd was the same size as Louis but worse than him in every single department.

If its unfair for Louis to fight Wlad what does that say about Byrd who was the same size?
I guess Wlads whole career is a sham so yeah?

Today in Kiltscko la la land. Its 'unfair' to fight Louis but Byrd is good enough to beat to become champion:rofl

Keep posting. You make Klitschko fans look more stupid by the day.

 

Louis jab weak and slow? omg that's nuts.
Look, Louis did get knocked down some, but was always back up quickly. He was susceptible to flash knockdowns, but was really only hurt a few times, like Schmeling I when he took a barrage of shots and was knocked out by an accumulation of punches, and yes, many were fired back over his jab, a problem he worked to correct afterwards. That loss was probably actually a blessing to his total career.

Yes, Wlad is still fighting well now, but I was under the impression that we were discussing the two in their prime. Also, Wlads more pro fights came over many years. Louis was much more active in his prime.

Louis basically lost one fight in his prime, and he avenged it with one of the most dominating performances in HW history.

And again, unlike other wt divisions, there is no upper limit on HW, so if born today Louis may be 6'3, 230. Plus, honestly, much of wlads success in later years is attributable to modern training and diet. Not even gonna mention steroids, ok I am, Wlad may not be on them, but look at all these amazing athletes performing at old ages who are now known to have used. Back in the 40s you just weren't as good at 35-38 as you can be today.

Louis wins this fight 67% of the time. 2 of 3.

 

Plus, if you go back and watch ANY film, it seems to me Louis is far more capable of getting inside on Wlad and destroying him. He would slip the jab, bam, hook, bam, get out. Brutal.

 

What was louis like 6'1 190lbs? He couldn't hang with a modern LHW much less wladmir. 90% of joe's resume were 165lb 5'9 bum midgets.

 

:rofl:rofl:rofl Yes these classic "giants" we so tough and skilled it hurts! The truth is Carnera had a fragile glass chin that is on par with Wilders.

Just look at the skill and poise of these guys, then tell me what Wlad would do to these guys who would barely make it to club fighting level today:

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:rofl:rofl:rofl