What was the biggest robbery of 2013?

Wlad vs Povetkin

Burns vs Beltran

Chavez vs Vera

Dirrell vs Bika (that was no draw)

Rose vs Maciel

 

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No, I just don't pretend that everybody does or must share my opinion.

I don't give out point deductions. You can't take away points because you think it is warranted or not honor a ref's point deduction because you thought it was unwarranted.

I scored it a draw. I've also said that I feel it would be easier to score 7 rounds to Broner than 7 rounds to Paulie if you follow the same scoring criteria.

Paulie has been my second favorite active fighter for years now. I loved and supported him back when he was damn near the second most hated man in boxing (shockingly only like 2+ years ago)... There will be no me selling Paulie short, ever.

 

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How do you manage to type with Floyd Dick in your mouth and Broners in your a$$?

 

There's another hate thread up regarding Golovkin's opposition. You should jump all over that!

 

Good call. I had that to Maciel by a few rounds

 

But do you not agree that biased officiating can also 'rob' a fighter of a victory (which is what this thread is about and why a few people are bringing up the Froch fight)?

Good examples are Bute allowed a 30 count in the final seconds against Andradre, and Russell Mora allowing Mares to constantly hit Agbeko low and even allowing one to be called a knockdown.

 

If I see people acting like he's an immortal being when he hasn't done nearly as much as tens of other boxers who get less than one hundredth of the discussion, I'm sure I'll say somethin'!

:thumbsup

 

Yes

But "robbery" implies scorecards, to me.

Besides, fights that I score to one fighter by one or two rounds that go the other way are NOT a robbery. That's a close decision that went the other way. Maybe a "pretty bad" decision. Not a "robbery."

Otherwise I could claim that Murray vs. Sergio was the biggest robbery. Afterall, I scored it to Murray by 1 point AND Murray got hosed out of another KD that should have made it a 2 point winning margin... But no, because anyone who claims that a 1-2 point fight is a robbery is an absolute idiot, and that's exactly what Broner/Paulie was either way so that's why you really need to drop your act in order to not seem like a goddamn annoying spam bot that doesn't follow boxing to any degree beyond the 3 fighters that you love to hate.

Technically I would have had Mares/Agbeko I a draw if the BS KD didn't count but I don't call that a robbery when discussing the result, which was to the scorecards, and the fight that played out was a very close contest.

Should I not give any credit to Stevenson for KO'ing Dawson in one round because Dawson made the count of 8, let alone 9, and was more coherent than many boxers still allowed to continue at that point? Did Dawson get robbed by the refs? Yes, I suppose you could argue that. Did he get robbed
by the outcome, a defeat? No, because he got laid out in the one minute he stayed on his feet and the ref called what the ref called.

 

Gabriel Rosado should've gotten the win over Love

 

Froch Groves was the biggest robbery howard foster clearly looking for an opening to give the fight to froch

cant believe he is still in a job

 

OK put it this way then in terms of a robbery- if Fighter A clearly wins 7 rounds with no possible way anyone could score any of those for fighter B and fighter B wins 5 rounds either close or clear, but fighter B wins on the scorecards. Would you call that a robbery? Because I would- close fight- yes. Anyway fighter B could win- no. I had Pac beating Bradley 7 rounds to 5- which is closer than most- but I still call that a robbery.

The Murray-Martinez fight you brought up, which I also saw for Murray, was different because there was rounds for Murray I scored that could've reasonably gone to Martinez.

Oh and by the way, Dawson was done. Nobody outside of Dawson himself couldn't see he was in no fit state to continue- he got up sure, but the 10 count requires you to have your **** together and he didn't. He would've lasted about as long as Montiel did against Donaire when he'd been knocked down. So that's a bad example.

 

Not even going to respond to the other stuff because I either agree or have been over it too many times before...

As for this, agree to disagree. The moment the ref waved it off and turned around Dawson had enough coherence to, with physical balance, speak back, express facial aggravation, and even stalk forward as if to strike the ref (same one who he felts "robbed" him, according to you, against Pascal) before trainer Jackson pulled him back.

Honestly, he made no bad movements. He slightly leaned back against the ropes. If you know anything about Chad Dawson and his personality it's a miracle he doesn't rope-a-dope all fight because he's just the mellowist, emotion-less, boring and lazy guy ever. He was not leaning against the ropes because he was massively concussed and couldn't stand up straight like Fernando Montiel rolling all over the place. How are you going to dare compare those dude? Couldn't be more dramatically different.

 

As for the 7 rounds to 5 thing, yes...

HOWEVER, every calendar year there are for example fights where it is 11 rounds to 1 where the fighter who won one single round gets the win, so that is absolutely way more of a robbery than the 7-5 fight (which isn't a robbery, in my opinion, once again).

So, to state that Broner/Paulie was a bigger robbery than a fight unanimously viewed as at least 9 or 10 rounds against Burns yet he still wins just shows that your bias is amazingly powerful. Enough that there will be no way to rationalize your opinion without simply saying something like, "well, when you consider what was at stake" or "given the fighters and circumstances" or some other stupid irrelevant nonsense.

EDIT: It's like people saying that Castillo was "robbed" against Floyd in their first fight or that JMM was robbed against Pac in second fight... holds no merit.

 

I think you need to rewatch that:

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSsfTnQlsfo[/url]

He's in no control of his legs, his eye's aren't clear and he can't lift his hands up when the ref asks him too. No way he should've been allowed to continue. He was out on his feet.

KO at 4.35, see the ref's POV at 7.25

And if he was fine to continue way is it getting so many KO of the year awards? :think