42 yr old foreman vs alexander povetkin??

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  1. Barry Smith

    Barry Smith Boxing Addict Full Member

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    In todays derelict heavyweight division they do, even when the division has been stronger than it is now you've still had the odd poor fighter picking up a belt, that's what happens when you have multiple "World Champions".

    Audley Harrison won an Olympic gold and became European champion as a pro, Nikolay Valuev was a two time "World Champion" etc.
     
  2. Stallion

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    Please don't compare Harrison to Povetkin, but if you insist in doing so, I may remind you that Povetkin won 15+ various amateur tournaments, 2 Euro championships, World championship and Olympic gold medal, with a record of 125-7, all losses avenged, while never been knocked down or stopped. That makes him one of the most accomplished super-heavyweights and Harrison doesn't even come close to that.

    As for the pros, he defeated Bango, Donald, Byrd and Chambers inside his first 15 fights. He was the #2 guy for years until Vitali went inactive, therefore he became the #1 contender for Wlad's throne, also winning a WBA title in the process. Now you tell me that all of that is ordinary and nothing special.

    Yes, some people here were saying that he stands no chance against Wladimir and that he was going to get knocked out. What a coincidence, many of those same people usually bash Wladimir himself.

    He went there against Wladimir with one gameplan which turned out to be a wrong one. He sticked to it, hoping that Wladimir will not fight that way for the whole 12 rounds, but Wlad was too smart and disciplined to make any mistakes. As for the knockdowns, the only legit knockdown was the first one. At the end, Wlad won 12-0, Povetkin ate some big shots but kept coming and wasn't stopped. In my opinion Povetkin didn't make Klitschko look bad, he proved that an aggressive, rushing approach isn't the way to beat Klitschko.

    And finally, about "this era" and "that era", that's one silly thing to discuss about. Just as you called Povetkin ordinary, I could call some other guy ordinary and have a club of clowns telling me that I don't know anything about boxing, but you never see me bash a fighter and I'm keeping that way. However, I'll jump in to defend a guy if he is being bashed while not deserving any piece of that, especially in a situation like this when people have no idea what are they talking about, but still bash him for whatever reason.
     
  3. Rock0052

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    Even if one buys the argument that Povetkin is simply ordinary at the world level, that still doesn't explain why people are picking Foreman to KO him.

    George stopped a grand total of 1 ranked fighter, and it happened to be Moorer (who is much chinnier than Povetkin) on that late right hand in a fight he was getting shut out in. Other than that ordinary talents were either beating George or George needed robberies to avoid the L. And this was with George's team handpicking his opponents so he could knock them out.
     
  4. Brighton bomber

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    I've clearly explained why I think Foreman beats him. Povetkin would play into Foreman's style and walk into his power. Povetkin simply doesn't have the style to out box Foreman which is the only way you'll beat him, outside of being a iron chinned warrior like Holyfield.

    Look at how Povtekin was rocked and bullied by a cruiser weight in Huck. How he was eating stiff left jabs, rolled into Hucks right hand time and time again and was ducking down constantly when in trouble which would be begging for a Foreman uppercut. If Huck had power at heavy he would have stopped Povetkin. I can' see what Povtekin has shown us that makes me believe he would be able to alter his style or withstand Foreman's power over 12 rounds if he fights his normal style.

    Foreman wasn't great in the 90's far from it, he was slow as hell and could be out boxed but Povetkin simply doesn't have the style to win. His lack of head movement would see him eating Foreman's heavy jab and leaves him an easy target which suits Foreman. I'd favour prime Chris Byrd to beat 90's Foreman, even Adamek who has fast hands and feet and a good chin would very likely have a good chance but that is because they can out box Foreman, make him miss and make him chase them not because they are that much better than Povetkin. It all about styles.
     
  5. Rock0052

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    Morrison and Stewart weren't brought in because they had a style advantage over George or because they were defensive wizards, that's for sure. Both were easier to hit than Povetkin and more straight up fighters, which suited George better. Both had worse chins that they left exposed more often. That's why they were brought in in the first place.

    I think you're drastically underrating Povetkin's chin and ability to execute a gameplan. By that point, George didn't have the physical ability to adjust his tactics. I trust Povetkin at least had the pedigree to execute plan A successfully. Inferior fighters to him were doing it at that point.
     
  6. iceman71

    iceman71 WBC SILVER Champion Full Member

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    Foreman beating a fat ginger that is barley a heavyweight is no stretch. what was disrespectful is being he somehow WON against Huck who beat the **** out of him :rofl
     
  7. iceman71

    iceman71 WBC SILVER Champion Full Member

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    learn how to use the reply to button dumbass....its 2014
     
  8. Super Hans

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    Foreman.

    Marco Huck beat Povetkin for me. He's not all that.
     
  9. BlizzyBlizz

    BlizzyBlizz Loyal Member Full Member

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    This fight isn't a color issue is it, lmao? I see a trend.
     
  10. Super Hans

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    Why? I'm white and voted for Foreman who is black.

    It's you and your alt Mr Pibb who have the biggest issue with color in this forum. :hi:
     
  11. BlizzyBlizz

    BlizzyBlizz Loyal Member Full Member

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    Find a post where I dis fighters or fans for their color and I'll ban myself. And second, why don't you go ask a moderator if I have any alts clown.
     
  12. Stallion

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    But you didn't even watch that fight did you? Because if you did, you wouldn't be bringing such a close fight up (sadly an arguable 7-5 Povetkin win which could go either way is the only thing you can come up with). And please, let's not start talking about Foreman's suspicious victories.

    What's disrespectful is a comparison between the current #2 boxer in the world and a slow, barely moving George Foreman, who was able to hit nothing but air later in his career. What's next, saying that 50 years old Hopkins is able to come to HW and defeat Povetkin and Wladimir on the same night? I guess that wouldn't be far from this one.
     
  13. Super Hans

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    Proxy. :bart
     
  14. iceman71

    iceman71 WBC SILVER Champion Full Member

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    povetkin is an overated ass clown who won a bogus paper title. foreman was a legit 2 time world heavyweight champ. now quit crying and log off fan boy, you dont know **** about boxing
     
  15. Stallion

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    Yeah that's right, when you have no argument, come up with a good old "you don't know anything about boxing".