breaking down this heavyweight era and others: Why today stinks!!

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  1. bremen

    bremen Boxing Addict Full Member

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    JAB got owned in his own thread. Priceless.
     
  2. David HEY!!!

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    WTF?:rofl

    Think before ou speak:lol:
     
  3. JAB5239

    JAB5239 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Think before I speak? You're the one who asked the question.
     
  4. David HEY!!!

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    That you cannot anwser:lol::patsch
     
  5. JAB5239

    JAB5239 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It doesn't need to be answered because it means nothing. Would it have not made the era stronger had he fought some of those fighters? I notice you keep ducking that question.
     
  6. Boxer-MMASux

    Boxer-MMASux Active Member Full Member

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    Today's heavyweight division sucks solely to the political climate in the United States, where many of the talented prospects are incarcerated and unlike the earlier era where many prisons had boxing programs, today's corporate prison system offers no such alternative programs.
    Plus, many top prospects that would have annihilated the Klits were setup and taken out of the picture by contract disputes (Tua) or setup using prostitutues (Ibeabuchi).
    Add to that the allowance of the Klits to fight as heavyweights when they should have been in a new Super-heavyweight division due to their extreme size advantage.
     
  7. brb

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    I think there are 2 main things that make people think that the HW division is bad presently.

    1) A lot of the HWs are from different areas besides the U.S. (including the champ).

    2) In the 60s/70s, Liston was viewed as this badass who was really intimidating and looked the part of HW champ. But then comes Ali who looked like the guy and was very colorful/entertaining up until he had to step aside in '67. That helped Frazier and Foreman build their legacies. In the 90s, you had kind of the same situation with Tyson/Holyfield/Lewis.
     
  8. Boxer-MMASux

    Boxer-MMASux Active Member Full Member

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    Number 2 is no different then today where US politics made Ali sit out and the Jewish mob controlled Liston.
     
  9. JAB5239

    JAB5239 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    What make people think the era is bad is the overall talent level is bad, top guys dont fight each other often enough and the best fighter is boring as hell. Nationality has nothing to do with it.
     
  10. JAB5239

    JAB5239 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Not trying to nit pick, but Binky Palermo and Frankie Carbo were Italian mobsters.
     
  11. brb

    brb Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Talent in sports doesn't go away.

    Name another sport that the "overall talent level is bad".
     
  12. VG_Addict

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    You can't be serious. The talent level in the HW division is terrible. I can't think of an era where more LHWs-CWs have moved up to HW and had success there than this one. Haye, Huck (gave Povetkin hell), Cunningham (nearly knocked out Fury), and Banks (knocked out Mitchell) are all CWs, and they've all have at least some success at HW.

    You know something is wrong when fighters from boxing's redheaded step-child division are able to move up and trouble fighters from the so-called "glamour division".
     
  13. bremen

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    please... former CW was ring #1 heavy for the most part of the 90s. I can name few former LHW who were HW lineal champs in 80s and 90s. If you go back 70s or earlier then majority of top boxers where in fact modern cruiserweights.
     
  14. VG_Addict

    VG_Addict Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Michael Spinks wasn't even a CW, he was a LHW.

    And there wasn't a CW division until 1979, so no, Ali, Frazier, Louis, and Marciano weren't part of the HW division, because at that time, they were legitimate HWs.

    Your entire argument comes down to fighters of the past being CWs in today's era. That's how transparent your arguments are.
     
  15. Boxer-MMASux

    Boxer-MMASux Active Member Full Member

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    The undeniable truth is, today's heavyweights are far less skilled and disciplined then the last generation. They fight less rounds against lesser opponents, take PED's while getting paid more to do so.

    The US heavyweight division has been ruined due to the right wing political agenda where there are far fewer boxing programs and corporate prisons that strive to keep prisoners in the incarceration cycle for profits.
    Look at the last US olympic boxing presence and it shows the result of the US's myopic vision with the number of gold medals won.
    With all the titles being held hostage by the Ukraine mafia, the HW division has been dead ever since.