Is Calzaghe really the greatest SMW?

When you look at other SMWs with good resumes, they still fall short to Calzaghes.

I think after Calzaghes resume, Eubank would have the next best SMW resume, followed by Ottke. Then you have someone like Collins who had 2 wins over Eubank (first defeat for Eubank) and 2 wins over Benn which were all very good wins and greater than many

1. Calzaghe
2. Eubank
3. Ottke

The next few are debateable, but with Collins 4 noted wins I would possibly put him next.

Then for resume you have Kessler whos overall resume is good at SMW even with losses.
Then Froch has a fair resume now at SMW.
Wards resume has Froch and Kessler on it, whos overall resumes are probably better than his, but does boost Wards up a fair bit.
Benn has a fair resume also, as does Woodhall in a short career with wins over Malinga (WBC champ), Catley (future WBC champ), Branco who was world rated WBU SMW champ and WBA LHW champ), Nardiello (world rated former WBC champ). Reid for a short time did well also with wins over WBC champ Nardiello, future WBC MW champ Cherifi, undefeated prime Magee who became WBA SMW champ and looked unlucky to may against Ottke.
Beyer and Mundine were also possibly a bit underated

 

I think it's ward now

 

on ability? -

the best one in Wales without a doubt, yes.

arguably the best in England, with good argument for Eubank, Froch and Benn as the rank outsider too.

in the world, he makes top ten without a doubt. But I would shudder at the thought of putting him in the ring with Toney, Jones, Hearns et all in the top echelon.

 

He only held the WBC IBF WBA titles for a day and these are the guys he missed while cherry picking C -D rankers.

1. Roy Jones Jr.
2. Frankie Liles
3. Herol Graham
4. Sven Ottke
5. Vinny Pazienza
6. Bruno Girard
7. Antwun Echols
8. Librado Andrade
9. Lucian Bute
10. Carl Froch
11. Chad Dawson
12. Glen Johnson
13. Antonio Tarver

And his long time no.1 contender -Rudy Markussen

 

If anyone was around during the first 10 years of his reign as lightly-regarded WBO champion - they would have been moaning about his opposition non-stop. Imagine living through the years of disgraceful defenses and always hoping for more. Some years he never fought a decent opponent.

2002 - Tocker Pudwill, Miguel Jiminez, Charles Brewer
2003 - Byron Mitchell
2004 - Mger Mkrtchyan, Kabary Salem

Now just imagine living through that and not being up in arms with what was going on as a so-called champion, waiting for him to fight a top opponent. It would have been indefensible in this day and age. Fighters like Froch and Ward have come up as the anti-Calzaghe, entering the Super 6 and fighting all comers each fight.

 

Complete ignorance.
In short.

#1 Jones was a LHW before Calzaghe won his first SMW title

#2 Calzaghe beat the fighter who KOd Liles

#3 How did Calzaghe avoid Graham? Graham had been gone for 4 years after a KO loss and Calzaghe beat the fighter who retired him

#4 Ottke. You know and have seen links where Calzaghe tried to get that fight.
Do you really think under your trolling that Calzaghe who clearly beat the fighters that took Ottke to SDs, avoided Ottke

#5 How did Calzaghe avoid Pazienza? Pazienza lost a IBF SMW eliminator

#6 Girard moved up to LHW. How did Calzaghe avoid him?

#7 Calzaghe was due to fight Echoles, but it was Echoles that had to cancel leaving Calzaghe to have to fight a sub at short notice.
See how wrong and how little you know Dino. Terrible troll when you dont know the facts atsch

#8 Andrade, lost clearly to Kessler who Calzaghe fought. How do you think Calzaghe avoided him?

#9 Bute. How did Calzaghe avoid Bute? When Bute first turned champ, Calzaghe fought Kessler and then went up and beat Hopkins

#10 Froch. See above. Calzaghe fought the higher rated better known Hopkins rather than a little known British champ. How is that avoiding?
Froch didnt win a world title until after Calzaghe had moved up, won 2 fights and retired :nut

#11 Dawson jumped up away from SMW to fighter lesser comp than Calzaghe and years later after Calzaghe retired then decided to go back to SMW

#12 Johnson lost an eliminator to Sheika, where Calzaghe had to fight the winner. Johnson lost. Calzaghe agreed to fight Johnson if Johnson won the rubber match with Woods where Calzaghe was ringside and Johnson lost. Also Johnson was not in the SMW top 10 when Calzaghe was there

#13 Tarver?? Was a LHW and Calzaghe beat the fighter that clearly beat Tarver


Looks like Dino is found wanting again

Do answer each and every number Dino. Dont pull another duck live on ESB

 

Calz is not the greatest Welsh fighter of all time mate. Wilde, Driscoll and Welsh were all greater Welshmen without a doubt. There's others who run him close for 4th spot as well.

 

Someone who really hasnt a clue here.
What has the title got to do with it? Tell me one SMW with a better resume?
In that time he beat Eubank, Woodhall, Reid, Veit, Brewer, Mitchell who all held SMW titles.
Sheika beat prime SMW G Johnson and Froch beat boiled down faded G Johnson years later by MDec, which shows how the division is not as strong as it was.
Pudwill was a sub for Echoles. So mention all the facts
Brewer was a top 10 rated SMW
Mitchell was a top 10 SMW who had never been clearly beaten at SMW
Mkertchyan was a top rated SMW. In fact looking at todays top 10 there are several who dont have a win as good as Mkertchyans over the undefeated 26-0 European champ Chanet.

Froch and Ward have not beaten anyone as good as Eubank who Calzaghe beat.
From the time Froch became a world champ (1st time) to now is around 5 years and in that time he has lost twice (once to a Calzaghe victim) and only beaten two fighters who had been SMW champs.
With Ward its 4 years and even now his best win (like Froch) is a faded Calzaghe leftover .
Now Calzaghe in 5 years had beaten 3 fighters who were SMW champs including Eubank which is better than anyone Ward or Froch beat.
In fact if you look at Calzaghes win over Sheika it is better than Wards over Green, which once again shows its a weaker era today.

So in the time you note overall Calzaghes overall resume is stronger in the same amount of years, but you just dont know the era then as well
Calzaghe in

 

And what excuse will you make for his long time no.1 contender -Rudy Markussen

 

Dino pulled a duck and didnt answer .
As for Markussen, tell me do you really think that Calzaghe who beat Eubank, Reid, Woodhall, Veit, Brewer, Mitchell, Lacy, Kessler who had all been SMW world champs avoided Markussen?
Once again Dino, answer this and then stop the ducking and answer all of the other names I have asked questions about

 

Yes no doubt he is way above any of the other British SMW why do you think Collins didn't want to fight him. Calzaghe is top 5 British fighter ever and without doubt the best SMW of all time.

 

1. Jones
2. Ward
3. Taylor
4. Tito Trinidad (Hypothetical)
5. Calzaghe

 

Jones eh?

Can you imagine Calzaghe on PEDs?!?!?!

Laaaaaaawwwwwdddd!!!!!!!!

 

Jones and Ward are arguable but Taylor accomplished nothing at Super Middleweight and Trinidad never fought in the division.

 

collins couldn't get motivated to face a mere midget who had done nothing. He actually was interested once Calzaghe had started establishing himself, but then had the bad brain scan.

unfair to pretend that a brave warrior like Collins would fear joe, its more likely the other way round given joes track record.