Post your Super Middleweight 168 ATG Top 10 list

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  1. eltirado

    eltirado Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    If you take care of him, he could've easily beaten an Undefeated Lacy
     
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  2. eltirado

    eltirado Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Boxing Scene Northwestern Europe

    1998-2004 Super Middleweight Title holder 21 Title defenses IBF. Sven Ottke
    1998-2007 Super Middleweight Title holder 21 Title defenses WBO. Joe Calzaghe

    Both retired undefeated without bothering to even try to unify, hurt both legacy...A decade of Co-existence in NW Europe, 7years of it prime time title defenses....Give me a break :verysad

    Had they fought I would have ranked the lower in the same place as he'. Now & the winner Definite 168 GOAT

    Avoidance should not be encouraged, GOAT of division means you go out of your way seeking fights and cleaning up...In Ottke/Calzaghe case they didn't have to look hard for this both lived in Northwestern Europe, that's like a fight inside the state of Texas
     
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  3. Bub

    Bub Boxing Addict Full Member

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    What exactly is your point? Are you claiming Calzaghe ducked Ottke?

    I seem to remember Calzaghe fighting Lacy and Kessler for belts.

    Has anyone else unified all the belts at 168 to be considered the greatest SMW ever?
     
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  4. eltirado

    eltirado Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I am the biggest fan of title defenses, review my threads on Chris John and iceman71 replies

    My problem is that Calzaghe on Ottke were like Wladimir & Vitali...In the same freaking division, in the exact time, with the exact 21 Title defenses...they were happy to be half champions...At least in Chris John case he didn't have a Filibino or Thai with 18 title defenses sharing the championship for a decade

    Kessler got beat by Ward & Froch...Lacy barely escaped with a close decision vs past his prime journeymen Omar Sheika...just before he was fed to Calzaghe...Old Roy, Broken Taylor and journeymen Dhafir Smith all beat Lacy...big deal

    Calzaghe wrote his own script...it didn't have a dramatic part where he goes to Germany and KTFO Ottke, cause he knew thats what GREATs do...and he was happy with being undefeated...Only himself to blame...I think he is satisfied with a HOF status, Wales hero & #4 Super Middleweight ATG is something to be proud off :think
     
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  5. Bub

    Bub Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Good for you.

    So what? It's two stubborn guys unwilling to bow to the other. Lacy and Kessler and Hopkins were much tougher propositions than Ottke so I doubt Joe ducked Sven

    So what? You were going on about trying to beat the other champs in your division and win the other belts which is what Joe was doing vs Lacy and Kessler. Who has unified more belts?

    His own script involved beating better guys than Ottke (Kessler) and going to the USA to fight Hopkins at LHW. Froch, Jones Jr and Ward (the guys ahead of Calzaghe on your list) didn't do more than Joe at SMW. They didn't go to the other guys country to take their belt or unify more than Joe etc.
     
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  6. assasin

    assasin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    so eltirado tried to make an argument against Joe being the number 1 by contradicting himself and being a hypocrite?

    yeah, you're a man of serious intellect.

    give this guy a bone.
     
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  7. Meazy-E

    Meazy-E Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Why are you so aggressive? :rofl
    For the record I am white, but I can see why you would want to use race. Yes many did have Hopkins winning, and when Ward loses sure it will hurt his legacy, but unlike Calzaghe he is fighting the best at their best.

    And Dawson challenged him for his 168 title so it's not like he dragged him down...
     
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  8. Meazy-E

    Meazy-E Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Oh and I hate Hopkins cause he is a racist piece of so don't act like I'm lobbying for him out of love.
     
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  9. Bub

    Bub Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Calzaghe avoided no man. Kessler was the best and Joe fought him at his best. That's as good as any of Wards wins.
     
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  10. Meazy-E

    Meazy-E Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I didn't say he avoided them, but the 2 biggest names on his list were not at their best.
     
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  11. DanishDynamite

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    Andre Dirrel never fought Kessler :)
     
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  12. Bub

    Bub Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Ah well, some of the biggest names on Floyd Mayweather Jr's resume weren't at their best. Same for Bernard Hopkins and even Andre Ward.
     
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  13. Beouche

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    1. Calzaghe
    2. Ward


    Does anyone care about the others?
     
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  14. Meazy-E

    Meazy-E Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I'm glad you pointed that out to me, but Mayweather is irrelevant to the 168 division, nor do I care about him. As for Ward and Hopkins I agree, everyone does, I think both have better resumes than Calzaghe.

    Why is it such a huge deal to you guys that I, the TS and others don't have Calzaghe first?
     
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  15. assasin

    assasin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Ward fought them at their best? :huh

    Dawson was drained to ****.

    Abraham was coming off two defeats and had zero confidence.

    Kessler had clearly lost a few steps since the Calzaghe fight, hadn't fought any of the top guys leading into the Ward fight,and was cheated like crazy as well.

    Bika hadn't fought in 18 months.

    Miranda was finished.

    so it's more like, he fought them at their worst. clearly. :deal
     
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