Joe Louis Vs. Wladimir Klitschko

This is probably the best post I've ever read on here, since becoming a member.

It was an absolute pleasure to read. :good

 

I don't think anybody is saying that.

Of course boxing has evolved from the M.O.Q.

But as we all keep repeating, boxing doesn't evolve in the same way as some other sports do.

 

I think you people use the word evolution without actually knowing that it infers best adaptation to the current environment. the environment changes. you assume that it doesn't.


the fastest most evolved f1 car will be useless when fossil fuels run out.

 

I wasn't looking for an argument, just correcting you.


but that's a novel way of getting out of replying.

 

but everything evolves. YOu sound like you are trying to put words in my mouth. Theres no need, I was just correcting you.

if at all, what part of evolution are you still not clear on?

 

what odd question.

you seem be overtly aggressive in response to me simply helping you define what evolution is.

I don't mind helping anyone but theres never a need to get aggressive or hurt in response to help.

 

So basically your argument is that the guys who beat Wlad can beat anybody and so can the guys who beat the guys who beat Wlad? O.k

 

never said they haven't. Why would you think that I don't think things change?

but you were using the word wrongly, I was just pointing that out. Sorry if your misuse of the word is an issue for you.

 

there nothing in the universe that doesn't evolve in response to the environment.

That's should hopefully stop you asking the same question about evolution again and again, theres no bigger universal set than the universe, and I don't have all day to type yes to every category you want to ask me about.

 

no problem Camilla.

 

without the necessary engineers and support and products and knowledge and tires and current adapted driving skills to run the current f1 car in the 30s (ie the environment), the f1 car would be left at the starting blocks.
not to mention it probably breaking a host of rules about eligibility back then.

I think now you may be starting to appreciate how important the environment is in evolution. You cant separate them.

 

u are free to add to your posts, unless you feel that my additional material is too difficult for you to respond to.

 

Louis did great against big opponents.

Wlad tko'd by Sanders, Brewster. Laid down by a zero skill swinging Sam Peter 3 times and had to hold like a disgrace against Povetkin. That guy is going to beat one of the best HWs of all time? No.

Wlad is the evolution and Louis is the ancient? Wow. Dumb.

 

Of course it's evolved from it's origins. That's not my argument.

What I'm arguing against, is people that are saying that a boxer from the 40's couldn't compete with a fighter today.

Then when you ask them why, all you get is an analogy of two Marathon runners.

Boxing is an art, with many different skills to master.

Today's advances in sports science etc, are only going to help a guy so much.

 

you've taken the 30s car out of its environment.

this automatically excludes it, its no longer the car it was. apart form the engineers, drivers and parts no longer existing that made it run, the immediate need would be to introduce parts and engineers and knowledge that weren't part of the 30s car, both to the benefit and loss of the old car.

in the event of part of the car not working, you further the problem, replacing it with modern parts means it is definitely no longer a 30s car and then where would you draw the line with changing parts of it? You might well replace the whole car itself until it was unrecognisable.


Have you a clearer idea of how environment and evolution are inextricable?