Max Baer vs David Haye:Discuss

We all keep reminding you, and I know you haven't forgotten, it's weighing heavily in your mind that you don't plan to because you can't.

I'm aware that we have access to the same information. It's about how you utilize it. You seem to do a very poor job at it.


The burden of proof is on you. You're the one in every thread making ridiculous claims.

There has been an ABUNDANCE of evidence to help you understand what we're talking about (I think I can safely speak for others in this case).

I don't think anyone is saying Baer outboxes him or does particularly well, but many posters have picked Baer, sloppy and unimpressive as he is, to outlast and then bomb out the overrated frontrunner Haye.

Fists of Fury picks Haye, and do you see anyone jumping his case? No; the reason is he's doing it with sound reasoning and respectfully to the fighters involved.







By the way, you still haven't addressed the point.... Better get on that. :bbb

 

He doesn't need to. The Cruiserweight version would be plenty enough to deal with Baer. This guy was so crude he'd make Monte Barrett seem sophisticated. Haye is not stupid enough to get dragged into a street fight to suit Baer, he'd just look for openings and hammer him with fast hard right hands.

 

Continue....

You're leaving a lot to assumption. Are we to assume Haye does this for 12 or even 15 rounds? Does he keep the pace and focus up that high for that long?

I agree that Baer misses a lot and generally looks terrible, especially here against Haye, but if he tries to bomb, he tires quickly. If he "boxes" (potshots), he has success, but again, can he keep it up? With the physicality of a fight with Baer, Haye will get sapped before long.

My bet is that Haye tires and gets sloppy, leading to getting tagged with more regularity until he gets stopped before Haye bombs Baer out. Not saying it couldn't happen, but less likely.

Baer will be taking a lot of punches in any event.

 

I would not qualify this as an objective sample of opinion.

Baer's technical failings are so apparent and basic in nature that there is a serious credibility issue created by any "landside" consensus.

I would like someone to show a modern trainer (from the last 3 decades) tape on Baer and ask for an opinion. I know it that is can take all kinds of styles to win, but usually there is some genius to the awkwardness. In Baer I see none of this.

 

I would actually lean towards Haye in this one, and was hesitant to chime in out of not wanting to be lumped in with elroy and foxy (or elroy light).

Haye has shown a reluctance to mix it up with a guy who has a solid punch, so he would be smart and mobile enough to stay out of harms way for the most part. His speed and foot work would allow him to move in and frequently out of range without to much trouble....now barring massive overconfidence, which he usually relegates to the media rather than the ring he should maintain that focus and take a decision. I do think he would need to be cautious, but I also think he would he would smart enough to realize that. Baer would have to me at best an outside shot, and perhaps over 15 I might increase his chances (matter of fact, that longer it goes I would say tips more to his favor). I will take Haye 8-4, in a slow uneventful fight that is more likely to put the audience to sleep than either competitor!

 

No chance he tires if he potshots. He could go 15 days doing that with someone as crude as Baer, never mind 15 rounds. Haye would convince himself he was a young Ali in with someone that bad.

 

Don't flatter yourself.

Unlike you and Elroy, I don't use a thousand words where less than a hundred will suffice. This post of yours is a prime example. All that waffle to arrive at the same conclusion as any sane person. Haye boxes and moves potshotting his way to victory.

 

The thing is I don't think its crazy to pick Haye; I think if Haye can keep it up, he wins. He definitely puts his hands all over Baer, at least most of the way.

 

Baer would smash Haye.

 

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I too believe Haye would give Baer some trouble but, as I've said, there is quite a gulf between troubling and beating somebody.

If we're talking about the more assertive joker who crushed Schmeling then Haye's got his work cut out for him. Crude as Baer looked he was game, tough and powerful in measures that Haye has never faced. Furthermore he was physically strong and a swine with the rough-housing. You may not think that amounts to much, but for Haye it will mean not being left alone in the clinches. In quick time he will be wary of his grinning opponent.

David may be able to ping Baer's chin, but Max had an impressive stomach for haymakers, and all the while those vicious overhand shots are going to reign down on England's well-groomed pretender; many will miss, some will land, but each will scare Haye into the kind of fight that replaces the taste of your beer with **** and promotes hatred towards PPV.

Baer may spare us with a late round KO. If not he wins a unanimous decision.

 

Baer was able to get away with his crude slugging style, because he was one of the hardest punchers of all time, with one of the best chins of all time, and he didn’t even have the kind of stamina issues that George Foreman did. If he came after you with bad intentions, there wasn’t really much you could do about it.

There was method in his madness. He actually worked a lot of sneaky counters into his game, when his opponents weren’t expecting it. Later in his career, when he could no longer afford to let ranked heavyweights punch him in the face while he laughed like an idiot, he tightened up his defence a lot.

I have seen nothing in Haye to make me thing that he could hold off the Baer who battered Max Schmeling into submission.

 

Haye has poor footwork. Wlad could not take advantage of it because he is to limited and to afraid to leave his hands go in the pocket.

Put Haye in with any decent HW and they would exploit the mistakes he makes throwing overhand swings.
Haye fought nobody at HW. He beat not one note worthy HW. None. Zero.

If he was this good , he'd be out there cleaning out the division below Wlad , but he's not because he knows himself he's not good enough.

One slap from Baer and he's gone.

 

The thing is Elroy if Haye had have slugged it out more with Wladamir he'd have stood a better chance of beating him, why not go out on your shield in the fight of your life??