Joe Louis Vs. Wladimir Klitschko

Yes, also many of them had multiple KO losses which by today's ESB standards makes them "glass-jawed frauds".

 

elmo is right - if he googles 'Louis' and 'bums' then he gets a set of links to posts on ESB made by elmo himself about Louis and bums.


for elmos next trick....

 

Aquamarine is an alt? I never figured him for one.

 

Yeah, I figured as much...googling I mean. I knew right off the bat that, to use a Tyson phrase, that you were a boxing neophyte when you said that the Klitschko's were "my generation" and making so many obvious factual errors in your posts.

Nothing wrong with being a boxing neophyte as we were all one once. However, the difference is that most will not be so precotious or arrogant in their statements, especially when discussing subjects they have little knowledge on.

So continue to call anyone who disagrees with your opinion a 'nutbag' but remember that those 'nutbags' in Classic and elsewhere have been watching boxing and studying the sport longer than you have been alive. We have a gent in there, Djanders, whom unfortunately I haven't seen in a while, who saw Louis box live at ringside.

I would not dismiss posters with so much accumulated knowledge (whatever their opinion) quite so contemptuously if I were you.

 

No way in hell you have been watching boxing for 24 years. If you have, then you must be one hell of a slow learner buddy.

After 24 years, you are using google to find 'dirt' on Louis? Ever read a book or two on him? Of course not.
And why only now are you 'researching' Louis, Mr 24 years of following boxing?

Remember what I said about a fool and hanging himself? That rope is getting longer and longer each day...

 

Seriously Elroy, just for a minute here...

I don't want to be a dick to you, you know? I'm pretty sure if we shared a beer, we'd get along just fine. Truth is, I'm pretty dispassionate about most of the banter on this site. I love the sport, but my blood pressure rarely gets raised by any topic. Maybe I'm a little jaded or something.

But yeah, I don't want to make it personal or hurl insults at someone I've never met.
We are all fans of the sport (I hope) and disagreements are inevitable.

 

Shows what an epic failure that HW rag is that they spend all their time on other forums.

 

Well, I find it a little odd about the opinion of Joe and Ali in your country, to be honest. They are boxing icons and I don't think that should be limited by geographical boundaries. But okay, at least I have a better understanding of your point of view now. (I still vehemently disagree with it, btw. )

I'm neither for or against modern or old-time boxing. I'm a fan of it all.
Ali was virtually retired by the time I took up interest in the sport, and if anything, the modern era is much, much closer to my generation than Louis' generation. But yes, it's in my nature to delve into the pages of history if I find an interest in something.
I find boxing history fascinating...it may have the deepest and richest history of any sport. I'm no historian though...actual historians are a very rare breed.

PS-I'm not American nor British...not even in the same hemisphere. I simply recognize Ali & Louis as two great fighters.

Anyway...peace. (For now.)

 

Thanks for the compliment, but there are many posters far more knowledgeable and better than me. I'm but an idiot child compared to some.

Yeah, to be honest my mouth hung open with astonishment when you said Ali was a punchbag. I truly thought you were trolling for a reaction. (Well, maybe you were a little bit?) Some of your statements have made me gasp out loud.

Understand, it's not that I think fighters of the past or boxing icons are beyond and above criticism, but I think if a person wants to make a case against them, there should be a certain non-confrontational way of going about it, you know?
There should be a level of respect, because they have earned their spurs and paved the way for the modern guys.
There are lots of old-time fighters that I think are totally rubbish, but I don't want to put it so bluntly because I may not have a clear understanding of what they were all about. Context is extremely important.

Modern guys deserve respect too, but it's easier to trash a modern fighter. Just the way it is. :good

 

If the above is true, then I feel sorry for you that you've grown up in an environment where Joe Louis and Ali weren't/aren't fully appreciated.

Because of that, you're now sticking to your guns and disrespecting them.

Because of you and your Country's lack of knowledge on boxing history, all past fighters are referred to as bums etc.

So if you're not trolling and are serious, then I honestly feel sorry for you.

Now you've told me before that you've boxed.

So tell me this, how can anybody that's been taught how to box, really think that Ali's footwork, was merely running away?

Ha! It's a joke!

No boxing trainer worth anything, who taught the art of boxing, would hold such an opinion, and neither would the guys who he taught.

So you're either having a laugh with us all, or you and your boxing trainer/former boxing trainer, are completely ignorant, and don't know anything about the sport.

I think you're just having a laugh, which is cool. There's plenty of trolls on here, and it passes the time.

But if you and whoever trained you are serious, then you've been denied of a better life.

 

I don't believe this bull**** for a second.

No trainer would ever say that because Joe was all about technique and encapsulated the very art and science of boxing.

You rant on about Haye being slick but
there is not a single HW today with the skills and artistry of two time Louis victim - Joe Walcott.
Walcott was one of the most graceful mover's and masters of the 'slip and counter' that ever lived. His timing and countering skills are unseen in todays division. Haye is a nobody compared to him.

Take it from the master himself- Bernard Hopkins. Writen after his victory over Tarver.

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Now why would and Hopkins and James Toney as well, draw inspiration form 'primitive , non skilled , old timers'?
Hopkins nearing 50 years old has used traits from the old timers to beat the limited guys that exist today.
Louis , Ali etc were ring masters who had skill not seen today and that fact will never change.

 

Top post! :good

 

Hopkins was no match to Joe Calzaghe unique modern style. This is where your little theory breaks down.

 

One of the fittest fighters from the last 20 years was Calzaghe.

Ask him about 'modern training methods':rofl

His gym was a run down shed and he built up his cardio the old school way by running up hills in the Welsh valleys.

He had access to nothing, and did it all like the old timers. Nobody could match him on workrate.

Now look at Wlad and his scientific Ivan Drago stlye training facilities. He can't fire off more than 3 shots without fear of gassing out.
If he fought full 3 min rounds like former greats he'd be gone by the 5th. So the guy isn't even as good an atlethe as the guys of yesteryear.atsch

 

Joe based his style off Marciano. . You stupid or something?