Joe Frazier cleans up, today!

I agree. Frazier beats everyone today.

The only interesting fights i think would be Haye and Wilder due to their power and how Frazier would react to getting hit byt that kind of power

 

Sure, Frazier cleaned up in his day, and would clean up in every age. He went the distance with Bonavena who was a good puncher even though Foreman squashed him, and with Joe Bugner who is 6'4" so he might be able to handle the bigger guys. His crushing left hook would shatter most of the top contenders jaws and possibly even Wladimir's too. I'm not saying he automatically beats the Klitschko's, though Vitali is retired and Wlad is getting old; so a young Joe Frazier would have an excellent chance. He'd definitely beat Haye and all of the pretenders.

 

I think the Klitschko may be a tough match up for Smoking Joe based on their size, power, strength and willingness to clinch. The Klitschko's are masters of using their size to their advantage and this may cause trouble for Frazier who wasn't a big heavyweight. I could see Wladimir landing punches while Frazier comes into range and then clinching up once Frazier gets inside. Frazier could slip and counter pretty well so perhaps he would be able to catch Wlad with some big left hooks possibly taking him out with one or hurting him bad enough to take him out. I could also see Frazier wearing out Klitschko mentally with his relentless attack causing W. Klitschko to fail physical also landing good body shots to further wear out Wlad. But I also could see Wlad landing on Frazier from long range and smothering Frazier on the inside. Frazier's stamina is excellent but with that being said its hard to picture a guy of his size to not be slowed down by a guy the size of Wlad Klitschko clinching and leaning on him the entire fight. Wladimir also has serious power, Frazier had a great chin but couldn't with stand the power punches from a much bigger and very powerful opponent in George Foreman, I think its possible the bigger Wlad Klitschko could also hurt Frazier real bad with his perfectly thrown short power punches its just a matter of whether he'd be able to put Frazier out for the count or finish Frazier off once Frazier regains his footing. I slightly favor W. Klitschko over Frazier just based on being a bad match up for smoking Joe.

Vitali on the other hand I believe would use his distance and throw a lot of punches at Frazier. Again it would be a matter of whether Frazier could withstand the punches from the much bigger Vitali because in a fight with Vitali he'd certainly get hit a lot. I'd expect Vitali to fight Frazier exactly how he fought Sam Peter, stepping back to keep Frazier and range and throwing punches in bunches. Frazier would be relentless in trying to get to the inside on Vitali and I think would forsure land some good punches but Vitali has never shown a weak chin or to wilt when pressured like his brother so its hard to say whether Frazier could break him. Again I'd have to favor Vitali Klitschko over Frazier just based on being a bad match up. Overall I rate Frazier higher then the Klitschko's but I feel the Klitschko's who are master of using their size would be a tough match up for Frazier.

As far as any of the other heavyweights today go, I feel Frazier beats them all. Will see how good Wilder becomes and how his power is against top notch opponents hes a guy who could potentially see being a hard fight for Frazier based on his size and power but at this moment thats simply speculation as Wilder hasn't proved he can beat any world class opponents let alone a top ten all time heavyweight.

 

The Klitschkos because of there size are tough for Frazier. Probably any fighter actually. Frazier was relentless, and would punish there bodies like no others before him, when he got inside. Wlad's, weak mandible leaves him at a decided disadvantage, against that fast left hook.

If the fight gets out of the early rounds, it will be fought at Fraziers pace make no mistake about that. Joe forced every fight he ever had at his pace eventually. The Klitschkos prefer a much relaxed pace fought at there terms.

Aside from the Klitschkos, I don't see Frazier, losing to any of the top contenders. I look at these fighters today, and the speed they're moving and throwing punches at, and compare it to that fast left hook of Fraziers, and his relentless in your face, all out agression. Nobody out there currently can compare to Frazier, and his style.....Smoking Joe Frazier. We forget what a fighter he was.

 

Frazier was a great fighter with a short prime but a prime Frazier would be a force in any era,however today there are also some good fighters, now Vlad but I think Frazier would beat the rest

 

So lets get this right. You are saying you think a prime Joe Frazier beats a 41 year old Vitali Klitchko?

Fvckin whoopee. You should apply to the TV networks for a job as a colour commentator.:roll:

 

Frazier has trouble with both for different reasons. I think he still wins both, but neither are walkovers.

Vitali has the volume and awkward punching angles, as well as arsenal. He gets panicky when he starts taking punches and pressure, but not as bad as his brother, obviously.

Wlad with his jab and being adept at avoiding confrontation not on his terms, not to mention his clinch 'n lean technique, can give Frazier plenty to deal with.

Frazier wins enough rounds and/or breaks them down the same way; constant pressure and keeping in their chest and countering with body work and that hook.

I don't see anyone else who could possibly beat him besides the bros.

 

Well I didn't expect this type of response from you :roll:

 

Frazier's style, strengths, and weaknesses translate the worst to the modern heavyweight division out of any of the top 70's heavyweights.

Foreman and Ali had the physical tools to still be competitive and win today. A 5'11, barely 200 pound swarmer who took the punishment Joe did (he didn't have a long prime to start with due to his style) wouldn't reach near the heavyweight heights today as he did then.

Frazier's a warrior and I've got nothing but respect for his career- if you wanna put him in a one-off scenario in a fantasy fight, that's a different ballgame than giving him a 40 fight career as constantly being the smaller man with that style. He'd wear down before he reached the Klitschos IMO.

He'd make a great cruiserweight, though.

 

Oh yes ! I totally concur. I've quite a lot of time for both Klitschko bros and they're undisputedly the best,by far,of the post Lennox Lewis era,but Frazier would have beaten them both. So would the best seventies incarnations of Muhammad Ali and George Foreman.

 

A real haevyweight is anybody who has established themself in a division with no upper weight limit.

There record is not in any way diminished, if their body weight is lighter.

 

Head to head against Wlad and Vitali, they both beat Frazier. Joe took career altering punishment against Ali trying to get inside, and that was the less mobile post-exile version who hit nowhere near as hard as Wlad or Vitali. Joe wasn't skilled at range and couldn't get inside without eating punishment to get there; that's a terrible recipe to try and beat either Klitschko.

At best, you're looking at a Pyrrhic victory for Frazier, which is essentially what the FOTC was for him.

 

Frazier possessed the tools of a great fighter and beat a great fighter.

Wlad never beat anybody great and its wishful thinking to assume he beats a great fighter based off wins against ordinary C levelers, some who he struggled badly with and others who knocked him out, all the while never proving he could beat anybody better.

Frazier broke ribs and shattered facial bones. He stopped Chuvalo worse than Foreman.

Wlad gets hit once and he stays hit. Joe's not going to run out of gas after 4 rounds like Peter. Frazier never stopped. KO loss for Wlad by the 5th.

 

With the possible exception of Wladimir Klitchko, Joe beats most heavyweights of today, simply because the division is so pathetically weak :deal..
Hell even Jerry Quarry who was a little guy by today's standards about 6 feet, and 200lbs would kick ass today because the heavyweight division is ****..