Joe Louis Vs. Wladimir Klitschko

He was nowhere near 'hurt'. He stood up faster than he went down. The kd sent him into a rage that lead to the annihilation of Galento.

Troll on.

 

Bremen isn't even trolling, that's the worst part.

 

The fixation with size, that Bremen/Aquamarine/elroy and 'the others' have would entrigue Sigmund Freud. They all seem in a lather over a fighters muscles.

I laugh over a claim that Chagaev and the 20 lbs. of flab he has over Louis would dominate him.

I feel sorry for posters that think Chagaev's decision victory over Valuev, constitutes a great display of the art of boxing.

I shake my head over 'boxing fans' who cannot see or except the skills exhibited by a Joe Louis.

 

So we're back the the whole they are primitive thing again simply because they fought 80 years ago? And how do you know they would be nothing today? Cause I'm seeing a guy ranked #3 with the WBC with a 31-0 record who has fought nobody worth a damn.
If he can do that, then why cannot Baer? Even Carnera?
Despite the paucity of his skills, he would be bigger and stronger than basically the entire division.
And Baer, whatever you think of him, had a chin and a punch and was fearless. He might not be the laughing stock you think he would be.

No CW's in HW fights today...right. So what are the likes of Byrd, old fat Toney, pudgy Eddie Chambers or Mormeck - puffed up CWs! ? CW's have regularly made incursions to the HW division throughout that division's existence, and have either served as fodder for HWs if they were unskilled or have earnestly embarked on title runs.
That they put on 20-30 lbs. of flab or muscle doesn't alter the fact that they were natural CWs artificially putting on bulk to qualify for the heavier division.

You guys love putting words in my mouth. :-(
I've actually picked WLAD to WIN against Louis. Duh. Go back and check if you don't believe me.

Did you read what I wrote about Carnera? Have you read contemporary reports about him? NO ONE, not now and not then, is claiming him or Buddy Baer to be a 'champion, a great, a legend'.

Where are you digging this stuff up from? Get your facts straight and then we can talk.

See above. However, putting up a picture of a fighter, as if that on any bearing on said fighter, is childish and silly. I could pull up the same kind of stuff on Fury, Arreolla etc. Means nothing.

I love how you try and make Louis sound as bad as possible. A CW plodder, who consistently went life & death with mob-controlled fighters.
Why should I respond to such immaturity?

I would suggest that the 200 lb.+ Louis would beat everyone today not named Klitschko, yes. Laugh all you want. If Holyfield could do it, a man very similar in size and overall attributes to Louis, then why not Louis himself? And Holyfield fought in a better era than today as well.

Neither would last 12. Spinks would do better, but Moorer would try and trade and he'd get knocked out.

So let's take Wlad out of the picture for a minute. Who are all these great athletes?
If I had said to you a short, obese, non-punching former MW like James Toney could find success at HW, you would have laughed at me.
Well, he did.

 

This is a silly thread. Wlad murders Joe Louis.

 

Agreed.

Anyone who deliberately paints Joe in the worst possible light is not a boxing fan, nor are they honest. They just want to win an internet debate, that's all.

 

I would love seeing these arguements, 'Joe Louis has no skill and was primative' put forward to the current Heavyweight top 10, or any of the current top trainers or ANYBODY remotely involved with boxing. After laughing at you, they would tell you that YDKSAB.

It makes for a good laugh on an internet forum though....I guess....

 

Schmelling was an inspiration to Wlad and Vitali and they both acknowldge the greatness of former champs . You and aquamarie are the last people k2 want as fans.

 

Holyfields era was NOT comparable to todays.

 

...Aaaand that's over 1000 posts. Been a generally good thread.

 

^^^^^
This, and any fighter would agree

 

So you're now claiming to know what Arreola thinks, and how all other Heavyweights today think or feel about past greats? I continue to laugh at you and your trolling.

 

Louis was 6'1" (or 6'2", depending on source) and about 205 at his best. Holyfield was 6'2" (some say a little shorter, but whatever) and when he won the title, 208 lbs. His heaviest was I think 218 lbs, but he was showing signs of age at the weight.

Louis' size was natural and he never touched a weight in his life. He didn't need to bulk up. He was also lean; there was no superfluous weight on him at all. Their sizes are very similar. In fact, I seem to recall that Louis had the slightly bigger overall frame.
Many of their attributes are similar too.
The comparison is relevant.

Now, that 26-10 record. 7 of those losses came at a point when Evander was very much on the decline. I'd say his peak was from '91 to about '94, despite him beating Tyson in '96 and '97.
His one and only stoppage loss came against Bowe when he had contracted Hepatitus.
Holyfield built up a great career in the modern era of heavyweights, in fact in one of the most competitive eras of the lot, despite him being outweighed and outsized in nearly every contest.

 

You calling Louis '****' doesn't really mean a lot, you know? You think that Ali, Norton and Frazier were **** too. I would be surprised if you started giving any of them an ounce of credit for anything.

And that last sentence...once again we have been through this. You can level that same accusation against virtually any fighter you wish to name.

If you want to believe Joe Louis is ****, then so be it. As long as you know your opinion is strictly in the extreme minority.

 

Klittards like to say Sanders was a huge power puncher, when coming into the fight, Sanders only had a 70% KO ratio. So he's far from the monstrous puncher they make him out to be in order to make Wlad look better.