Joe Louis Vs. Wladimir Klitschko

Few Heavyweights in any age exhibited the will or toughness Holyfield had. Sad to see him fighting and loosing to lesser fighters as he grew older.

 

Tell me exactly why Louis win over Primo Carnera was something special while Chagaev's win over Valuev is not worth talking about? These wins are worth exactly the same .. NOTHING! deal:deal

Carnera is a 30s version of Valuev, just with a glass jaw. Both had zero boxing skill.

 

Either Klitschko's were to big, and they were fast for there size. Joe though great is just to small to win. I can admire Louis for his skills, and he could punch in combinations like few others could. But it's a matter of size differential for me.

 

You really are that impressed by physiques, aren't you? Louis was at his prime weight at 205, Holy at 208. Near-identical heights and similar frame sizes, yet one s a 'fluid filled bean' and the other has enough strength to rip his arms off. Ok.
In one of the clinches during the fight, Louis lifted the 270 lb. Carnera off his feet, prompting the surprised Primo to remark "I should be doing that to you!"
If you think Louis was a weakling, then I have a bridge I'd like to sell you.

Pictures lie every day. All the time. Corrie Sanders looked about as unathletic as you could find, yet he was pretty athletic. Tony Tubbs looked like a fat blob, but he was a rather nimble boxer. Appearance counts for almost nothing.
Holyfield was a strong guy of course, but let's not go overboard either. I would imagine that there is not much if any difference when it came to functional real-world strength when it came to Holyfield and Louis. One's was mostly gym manufactured and the other's natural.

Besides all of which, strength is such an overrated component of a fighter's overall ability. It is only over the last few years that this emphasis on strength has even come up. (Surprise, surprise.)

No, it's the truth. Only a complete fool would describe Holyfield as anything other than declined by the time he started losing more regularly from '99 onwards.
His conditioning was badly faded, hence his fighting in spurts. Do you really now want to sit there and claim Holyfield of the Ruiz fights was the same guy that fought Foreman, Cooper etc?
His prime, peak rather, was from '90 or '91 to about '94. Perhaps you need to study up a bit more about Holyfield.

It was a good run. The purpose was to show that a small heavyweight can most definitely hang with larger guys if good enough. It was not necessary that he had to dominate the era to illustrate my point.

And your comment about Moorer being a statistical featherfist? If you have been following boxing for 24 years as you claim, you would not have made such a foolish comment. :yep
I'm beginning to think that your 'analysis' is through boxrec and youtube and that's it.
Call Moorer whatever you want, but the ONE thing Moorer was always good for was his punch. Any nitwit could tell you that.
Statistical featherfist...

He didn't need to dominate the era to prove my point. He hung in a deeply competitive division, way better than today's, and that's all I needed.
It was only in the late 90's that we finally got a guy who pulled ahead of the pack and established dominance. (Lewis)
Fighting in deep eras tends to produce competitive fights, and hence dominance is hard to achieve.

I wouldn't trust anyone who claims Michael Moorer was a featherfist, sorry.

No, he never fought skilled giants like Holyfield. However, the based on the roughly equivalent size of each and their respective attributes, I think a reasonable assumption can be drawn.

Of course you, infatuated with gym muscles, would think otherwise.

 

Holyfield was competitive against a modern day SHW champ in Lewis, although he lost twice. Now that Holyfield is leaps and bounds better than Louis ever was.

Holyfield would obliterate Louis in a one-sided mismatch. Lewis however would absolutely decapitate him; Louis wouldn't land any meaningful punch before hitting the deck.

 

Natural strength or not Joe who i admire didnt have a neck like Holyfield to absorb punches frpm the the modern superheavyweights. Joe had skills no doubt but he's too small. Good read.

 

Wladimir Klitschko would KO him any day

 

Wlad's only advantage is size. Louis is far more technically skilled.

 

There doesn't seem to be any tangible correlation regarding neck size and punch resistance.
How do you explain Moorer's 19" neck yet his rather poor punch resistance, as opposed to Foreman and his rock chin, yet George only had a 17" neck? There are many factors which decide punch resistance.

 

:rofl

"only" 70%

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7iMATVdQG8


Watch this and keep in mind some compare Wladimir to Primo Carnera.:hey

Oh yeah, The Cliff's Notes version: He does move his head ( not robotic ), does double his left hook ( not robotic ) and does body punch.

 

Louis boxed a clinic and looked sensational beating Carnera. As a showing of skill and technique it does't get any better.
20 fight Louis maneuvered around, steped in ,stepped out, created openings(not looked for openings, created them) and pounced all over him with chopping hooks to fast to witness before stopping him in 6. It was a flawless performance.
You have no businnes watching boxing if you don't see or appreciate Joe's skills.

Chagg vs Valeuv was 12 rounds of ****. No skill on display from either men. Just like his fight with Holyfield , it did the sport more harm than good.

 

Does Louis beat Chagg?

Who wins -Marciano vs Calzaghe?

 

Explain how Marciano had to fight dirty to beat Kockell? Rocky toy'd with him for 5 rounds doing nothing before he unleashed hell.
He was behind on the scorecards against LaStarza and Walcott before brutally ending them.

How would you know he was outboxed for the majority of a 49 fight career. Did you see all 49 fights because as far as i know only 10% are on film. Are you a Marciano expert?

Calzaghe was a squared up target who fought coming forward. Reid repeatadly cracked Joe with right hands, Rockys best punch and one of the hardest punches in history. A punch that put people into a coma and sheared teeth clean of gums.
Marciano cut off and chopped down far greater skilled boxers and better movers than Joe. Joe didn't even have the eluisive movement required in an attempt to survive a Marciano beating. Calazghe gets beaten to a bloody pulp.

:rofl @Calzaghe 'schooling' Marciano. It hurts me to give up my time on morons. Go back to 'copernicus'. Oh , i forgot, you were laughed off the forum.