breaking down this heavyweight era and others: Why today stinks!!

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  1. JAB5239

    JAB5239 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Cocaine and Don King ruined that era. There were a ton of skills out there if fighters could have had more discipline and better fights could have been made more consistently.
     
  2. Butch Coolidge

    Butch Coolidge Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Now they're going into spin control since somebody is scrutinizing different eras compared with the current one. Twenty years from now, this era will be much better than the era twenty years in the future.

    In the 80s I think heavyweights didn't fight that often and they didn't have many live opponents or even opponents with winning records.
     
  3. Butch Coolidge

    Butch Coolidge Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    And how many of Dino Denis' opponents had winning records and did he really deserve the win over Mike Weaver?

    Denis had 28 victories at the time of the Jones fight. Of those 28 wins, 15 of them were fights against fighters with losing records. Not a good measuring stick for quality.
     
  4. Butch Coolidge

    Butch Coolidge Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Scott LeDoux was 26-8-4 when he fought Holmes. **** by current standards. Many posters on here would dismiss him as utter rubbish. He was considered utter rubbish back then too, a journeyman at best. 7 of LeDoux's victories were against no-hopers, designated fall guys. So that reduces his record to 19-8-4.
     
  5. JAB5239

    JAB5239 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You're still missing the point. Holmes fought more top 10 fighters, its as simple as that. He fought more fighters that had experience against other top 10 comp. I'll take that over undefeated, untested fighters any day. THAT is what makes an era better. If not we're going to have to label every fighter with a win over a guy with a nice, shiny, manufactured record great. Sorry, but that's simply not objective.
     
  6. Butch Coolidge

    Butch Coolidge Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Don King is still alive and cocaine still exists.
     
  7. JAB5239

    JAB5239 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yes Elroy, people would be outraged b y the best fighting the best instead of phony undefeated fighters with no top 10 wins before or since. That would be ridiculous!

    Ps-did you pick up on the sarcasm? :yep
     
  8. JAB5239

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    Son King no longer wields the same power in boxing and cocaine isn't the same plague it was in the 80's. :nono
     
  9. bremen

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    80s was a **** era. Even Tex Cobb was in top 10 ffs.
     
  10. JAB5239

    JAB5239 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You're 13 years old, you know nothing about the 80's except what you read on boxrec.
     
  11. Butch Coolidge

    Butch Coolidge Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Or what he read in Ring magazine which chronicled the 80s as the era of the all time lowest heavyweight talent DURING the 80s while the 80s were happening. Also, I was around back then too, and remember that they were thought to be every bit as crappy as what you say this era is.
     
  12. Rock0052

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    Actually, the two are quite similar record-wise.

    Holmes record against fighters who had been rated top 10 in Ring magazine: 22-5 (15)

    Wlad's record: 22-2 (17).

    Also weird that you're acting like today's the era of inflated records and maximizing easy paydays considering Holmes dropped his belt in the trash can rather than fight #1 contender Page. Why? So he could beat up Joe Frazier's kid for easier money. Larry never unified, either. Great fighter, but the dude was all about getting paid first, and if fans didn't like the competition, F them. Let's not get it twisted, now.
     
  13. JAB5239

    JAB5239 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    And like many others you're focusing on the champion only and not the contenders that make up the era just as much if not more. All champs get easy paydays. My problem with the ERA is contenders do not fight each other as often. They don't go on to keep fighting at a high level after losing to the champion. This weakens the era. Its not about Wlad, he's done what he's had to do. Its more the lack of what everyone else does.
     
  14. bremen

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    Actual newspaper quotes:

    1982: "Tonight's match (Holmes-Cobb), of course, reflects the sorry state of heavyweight boxing, once the most important division in the game."

    1984: "Usually, the heavyweight division carries boxing, but it's a disaster."

    1988: "Tyson looks unbeatable, especially given the sorry state of the heavyweight division."

    1994: "And so the heavyweight boxing division is in a time warp, not to mention a shambles, not to mention a state of incredulity. George Foreman, old, fat and immobile, won two-thirds of the available titles Saturday night."

    1998: " Everything you- needed to know about the current sad state of boxing in general and the heavyweight division in particular was revealed in a span of three days in the last week"
     
  15. JAB5239

    JAB5239 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    One more thing....you've used alphabet rankings. If you use the Rings annual rankings Holmes had 15 top 10 fighters to Wlads 10.