Carl Froch's stock ...just... went... down

Explain how.

 

He doesnt need to do ****

A career spent fighting the toughest guys around gives him the right to do whatever the **** he pleases

 

Carl ruined Lucian

That doesnt really elevate his (Carl's) stock any higher than it was, it's just a shame on Bute and his army of fans

 

Frock is forever a coward for not rematching direll

 

And of course we have the right to **** on him, which is exactly what is happening right now.

 

It went down if anything because Bute was Froch's signature win and Pascal beat him.

 

Some of us respect a guy who's spent his entire career fighting the best, giving us some of the best fights of the last decade

**** on a guy who's spent his career doing that and youre just a bitter little twat

(or George Groves himself)

 

Or just not an ass-licker. If Froch can be praised when he does good, he can also be criticized when he does bad.

 

Hah. Almost everyone's shitting on him mate for seemingly ducking the rematch as it is now.

Now even if you're a die hard Froch fan he deserves some stick for the ridiculous comments made post fight. Not least including backing out of a rematch he himself agreed to on the night, supporting the stoppage and the ref and saying Groves doesn't belong at world level.

Early stoppage, patently wrong scorecards, if Froch was half the man he claims to be he would have admitted the sorry state of affairs that night and given Groves the credit he deserves, but no, he went 180 degrees and shown himself to be an a class ****.

To top it all, now he's avoiding the rematch.
Please tell me if I'm missing something

 

Cant fault the guy's resume, but you can fault his attitude. Have to respect how his career played out until now but no one has to respect his apparent williness to accept and, indeed, revel in a bull**** gift of a stoppage win in a fight he was losing. He's thrown away a lot of the respect the fans had for him by how he's behaved ever since that fight.

 

Kid Frocholate. Respect.

 

I don't think it changes Froch's stock much but I think a stronger argument can be made that it actually harms Froch's.

Bute probably stands as Froch's best win and shortly after that fight Bute went and got clearly beaten by Pascal, that takes some shine off of Froch's win over Bute.

Personally, I think Bute isn't the same fighter since Froch ran him over. People say that a lot when fighters get beaten and I'd disagree with it a lot of the times but in Bute's case I do think he's not the same.

I think Froch's win over Bute when he was undefeated, a long time champ, and highly rated still holds up as a really big win and Bute's current downward slide is because of Froch.

Pascal's stock goes up but not a great amount because I don't think Bute is the same fighter and hasn't looked good since the Froch fight and at lightheavy. Still a good win for Pascal but not what it would have been several years ago.

Froch beat Pascal a number of years ago and at a different weight so Pascal winning only helps Froch's standing slightly so I think its largely a wash as far as Froch is concerned.

 

He has nothing to prove to anyone. Its a pathetic joke seeing some fans call him a ducker and a coward after all he's done his career, esp in times dominated by cowardly cherrypickers


Having said that though, he did let himself down in the Groves fight. In the pre fight build up he acted like a total dick. And postfight acted an even bigger dick


Groves does deserve a rematch. He was classy before during and after the fight, and gave Carl hell. He was victim of a complete BS stoppage but still managed to keep his composure and he took it like a man. His stock rose massively after that fight


But Froch has earned the right more than anyone in boxing to close his career fighting whoever he wants. It was disgusting hearing him getting booed from his own fans after the hell he went through

Boo the ref - boo the judges - but boo Froch after what he went through and all he's done?
Get the **** outta here

 

Don't you understand the only way to right the wrongs of that night is for a rematch to happen. Seemingly the only thing stopping the rematch at the moment is Froch, for that he is being vilified and that part is all his doing.

I can promise you this much regardless of what he's done in the past I believe that the Groves fight/s is going to be remembered as the defining point in Froch's career. If you disagree, honestly tell me that you can't imagine the rematch selling out a stadium.

 

Well, Froch has not spoken of retirement. He has intimated that he wants to fight on through this year and have a big fight in Madison Square Gardens against Chavez or Ward - and, to be fair to him, its somewhere he's wanted to fight for years but never had the chance to. So I dont know why a rematch with Groves is being talked about as if it would be his last ever fight if he's not said he getting close to retirement.

Groves has said that Froch's only credible options to save what's left of the respect fans have for him is to fight the rematch or retire and that few will accept another fight as legitimate when they've still got unfinished business, but he's going to say that and it doesn't really have a baring on what Froch does.

So the issue of Froch wanting to, and having earned the right to, end his career on his terms against whatever opponent he wishes does not necessarily rule out a rematch against Groves happening.

As to the booing, it was initially directed at the referee and the decision and the result, it was only directed at Froch when he couldn't stop himself acting like an arse when interviewed after the fight. And people accusing him of being a ducker and a coward are totally out of line given his history but are a response to what appear to be his attempt to weasel out of the rematch with Groves he initially told Hearns to make happen, and he has seemed unable to stop acting like a dickish jackass and keeps digging himself into an ever growing hole as nobody around him seems willing to talk some sense into him and tell him to shut up, so it is at least in part his own fault that he recieved these reactions and, though I dont condone the accusations of being a ducker and a coward, I dont have any sympathy for his plight either.