Lets go back in time... Manny Pacquiao

manny is an ATG floyd is just a prima donna wannabee

 

Some people are great from natural god given talent from the start. They're phenoms. Others get chemicals and become great---Lance Armstrong, Barry Bonds, Marion Jones, Sammy Sosa, Mark McGwire, Canseco, Pacquiao. Sure they had talent but they weren't elite. Manny has been cheating since 1996 when he tried to use larger gloves to get an advantage over a catchweight opponent. Cheating is obviously in his nature. It's not surprising Freddy thought there was something shady about those Ariza shakes. Freddy knows boxing more than Ariza, Manny and the entire Philippines put together. Freddy didn't even want a S&C in the corner, but Pac INSISTED he be there. A fighter going against his trainer's wishes. BIG BIG asterisks need to placed next to any Pac accomplishment.

 

That's it? That's all the evidence you have? :rofl

Let me also remind you what your idol said when he had the chance to prove it. It resulted in this statement:

"Floyd Mayweather Jr., Floyd Mayweather Sr., Roger Mayweather and Mayweather Promotions wish to make it clear that they never intended to claim that Manny Pacquiao has used or is using any performance enhancing drugs, nor are they aware of any evidence that Manny Pacquiao has used performance enhancing drugs. Manny Pacquiao is a great champion, and no one should construe any of our prior remarks as claiming that Manny Pacquiao has used performance enhancing drugs."

Even your idol concluded with this statement. How come this doesn't trickle down to his lap puppies like it normally does?

 

Part of the agreement with the court. Gotta do what the court says. Noone is above the law here, unlike your country. Court also said OJ was not guilty. So a court verdict isn't always correct just like judging isn't always correct, ahem Pac v Bradley.

And we're talking about Freddy who trains and can observe Pac almost daily. That's much different than a Mayweather looking from the outside in. Freddy is basing his comments on 1) his intuition, knowing people have used PEDs in his gym before and 2) his interactions with both of them in the gym.

 

Fights nearly impossible to make. Sign the dotted line, stop asking for too much money and FIGHT!! WHO THE SLICK do you think you are? hmmm..We are sick and tired of slick thinking they should be given everything for fights to happen like they are above everything and everyone, BS!! someone needs to put them in their place. Thank you BOB!! Don't get us started on drug testing cause these slick boxers are the ones juicing up to their eye balls. HYPOCRITES!


i mean come on! what's with all the DEMANDS?!

 

There's a difference between a verdict and a settlement, you moron. How many times do I have to own you in every thread? You were caught lying in another thread (verified) and now this bull****.

Mayweather looking from the outside in
He should be looking in his own gym - do confirmed recent ped cheats Mickey Bey and Jleon Love ring a bell?

 

Who knows. he certainly looked very impressive against Ledwaba and you could tell he had the natural talent, power, speed and ferocity. Agapito was a very dirty fighter.

What people forget is, Pac was in a relatively new relationship with Roach back then, since hooking up with him, gaining more experience and sparring world class guys at Wild Card, he could only improve.

This is the difference between Floyd and Pac that people forget. Floyd was a protege, from a famous boxing family, an Olympian for the USA. From birth he was given world class training and world class opportunities both in the amateurs and pro levels, so they could build him up properly.

Then you compare it to Pacquiao, who started boxing so he could help his mum financially. First off, he didn't have a world class training like Roach off the bat, he didn't have time to linger in the amateurs trying to build his craft, infact he turned pro before he was 18 and carried rocks in his pocket to make weight. So not only was he a boy fighting men, he was also at a big weight disadvantage fighting in his early pro career. Whereas Floyd started boxing since he could walk, Pac didn't start until he was a teenager.

So with all that in light, you can tell that when Pac got with Roach, there was a hell of a lot of room for improvement. When he dominated MAB, I was pretty sure he was just gonna keep going, obviously didn't imagine WW at the time, but by the time the ODLH match was announced, I had backed him.

 

You didn't own me, I ADMITTED it was an error. Owning someone is when they're too afraid to admit they're wrong and it's clear they're wrong. It shows I argue within reason. People who think they're 100% right like you *******s are full of BS. Very few people on this board acknowledge when they're wrong, the rest well are just fan boys.

A settlement or verdict. It's all the same at the end, Floyd had to agree to it and part of it was the fabricated admission. It doesn't change how they really feel. They were forced to do it. FACT! To-may-to. To-mah-to. Argue semantics IDIOT. You know I'm right.

Freddy wasn't forced to do anything. Freddy has PED rats in his gym too, that's why Freddy is suspicious. Floyd can't be at his gym 24/7, nor is he directly involved in training those guys, heck isn't he in SA right now?

 

With hard work and medication, ah i mean dedication and anything is possible.. But I agree, i never thought he was that good to begin with. But with that said he has so much will, determination and heart. I rarely see in other boxers.

Plus the power and speed and stamina. What didn't impress me was his IQ and skills. He's unique and one of the weirdest phenomenon I have ever witness.

From nothing to something. Defying all logic sort of thing.Very complicated to explain, i suppose.Because you are never impress with his skills, technique or form.What people don't appreciate is his work ethic.

Emmanuel Steward said it best, "The kid has so much fight and will to win will carry him through his short comings".But we will never know how hard it is to fight Pacquiao until you're in the same ring as him..Looks can deceive you when watching the Pacman on TV.

 

I Only knew him after he fought Barrera. Whats your angle here?

 

He fought Torrecampo at a cachweight. He then was caught and penalized for using larger gloves. Confirmed on wikipedia, boxrec, etc. Funny thing is he was still KOd. Manny was the larger guy, and refers to his experience in this article

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You could say Manny is an expert on catchweights and cheater since 1996. Once a cheater, always a cheater ...

 

How do larger gloves help? What is this? Small gloves help punchers. If my opponent could wear 12 oz and I could wear 8 oz, that's a huge advantage in speed and impact for me. I don't get the "cheating" unless that larger glove is weighted with something hard.

 

Floyd is like rocky in rocky 3 and manny is like mr.t

Floyd had all the fame, the status, the trainers everything to get to whee he could fight tin cans and make money

Manny beat everyone coming up, and earned it the hard way