Chuvalo In The Late 1890's/Early1900's How Far Could He Go?

Chuvalo was strong, took a great shot but was limited, he had the stamina to fight 15-20 rounds but was always easy to hit...the man is known for his loses WHY would I make him a Great in another era

 

Armstrong and Martin are two guys who might well have kept him out of Jeffries hair!

 

Look at any film of Jack Johnson (take your pick), analyze it objectively, and tell me honestly that he looks better than Chuvalo.

Different rules. Different set of skills.

 

The answer you're fishing for is no. Jeffries and Ruhlin do not look better than Chuvalo according to 1960s standards of boxing.

No heavyweight from that period does, with the possible exception of Sam Langford.

 

Of course it isn't...no doubt it's demonstrated on any fight that isn't available on film. :yep

 

Then you're missing an enormous number of very, very obvious flaws.

Johnson has no high guard. He barely has a guard at all. He flaps away with his hand when trying to block the jab. And speaking of jabs, he doesn't really have one. During his prime performances, he has this awkward stutter-step-straight-left that looks like the ******* offspring of a fencing lunge, a ballet jump, and tripping onto the opponent. Not to mention that he's one of the few champions who takes the time to pull his jab waaay back before throwing it. Corbett was another. Johnson does not keep his center of gravity beneath himself very well, which throws a lot of his footwork and punches off balance. He does not have a left hook to speak of (even the three lefts against Jeffries in the clinch were not orthodox left hooks). His right hand is fired by switch-step, which actually resembles his "jab" insofar as both punches involve launching himself off balance, face-first into the other guy. He employs almost no head movement. Johnson leans forward with his hands down, as if he wants his opponent to hit him in the chin. He squares himself up to an opponent like he's wrestling. While in outboxing range. His foot positioning is all wrong -- the stance is too narrow and pointed straight ahead, again as if he's fencing.

It goes on and on. Take your choice of footage and you'll see the same thing. Post it in a separate thread in Classic, and ask people to point out flaws from a modern perspective. Heck, post it in the General or Training forums.

And this isn't just nitpicking. It's obvious. It's blatantly obvious on film that Johnson is not doing anything close to "boxing" in the modern sense of the word.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cluVrMB2l7M

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnMJL36_oCs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUqhJzgSj4M

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkhDIt6RKgQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3MbnSbB6Bo


And just for comparison, George Chuvalo below. It's like night and day, even in a sloppy fight he's losing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcmMPBT8NAY


Take your pick of championship fight footage. Post your own. It'll show the same things.

If you look at my previous post, you'll see that I answered your question. I just don't see the point, honestly. Different rules, different styles.