LangfordTakes Title From Burns Does He Defend Against Johnson?

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  1. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Sam Langford gets to Tommy Burns first and dethrones him for the crown.

    Would he defend his title against the man who broke his nose, cut his eyes, and floored him twice for long nine counts?
    In short would Langford defend against the man he despised ,
    Jack Johnson?
     
  2. Cmoyle

    Cmoyle Active Member Full Member

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    My hunch is he would have. I don't envision him ducking Johnson if the shoe were on the other foot.
     
  3. mcvey

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    I think he would have liked to have another crack at Jack.Whether the powers that be would have wanted an all black heavyweight title fight is another story.
    ps Have you got a definite figure for the Tate v Langford fights?
     
  4. Cmoyle

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    I'd have to look at the fight record in the back of my book but I believe it was 6-4 in Sam's favor and there was one more unconfirmed win over Tate in his favor listed there as well. The first fight between the pair didn't take place until Sam was already on the downside of his career and the majority of them would have occurred after he was already blind in one eye.
     
  5. mcvey

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    Thanks Clay.Yes Tate was nowhere near Langford's class, he beat a seriously goneback Sam.
    ps I've been told that in the famous picture of Sam and Tate squaring of in long woolen suits it is not Tate I think it was Klompton who said this,can you confirm that?
     
  6. Cmoyle

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    I'm not sure which picture you're talking about. Any chance you can post it?
     
  7. mcvey

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  8. klompton2

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    Id have to check but i think thats bob armstrong.
     
  9. Cmoyle

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    Thanks for posting. I don't know that I've seen that photo before. But, I can't see the big fellow well enough to help. Sounds like Steve must know who it is though.
     
  10. cross_trainer

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    Probably not.

    Langford wasn't the sort of man to ruffle feathers. He wouldn't have gone for an all-black heavyweight championship fight because it wouldn't have appealed to the (white, racist) boxing public.

    Johnson was the sort of man to ruffle feathers. He does not have the excuse that he was kow-towing to the white establishment when he refused to fight Langford. He just didn't want to take the risk.


    (Not that Johnson's alone in ducking challengers. Of all the champs from Sullivan onward, only a young John L. Sullivan fought everybody. And even then, he semi-retired in later life and avoided black challengers from that point forward.)
     
  11. Cmoyle

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    "Probably not.

    Langford wasn't the sort of man to ruffle feathers. He wouldn't have gone for an all-black heavyweight championship fight because it wouldn't have appealed to the (white, racist) boxing public."

    Langford wouldn't have gone for all all-black heavyweight championship fight? You're joking, right?
     
  12. cross_trainer

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    I'm sure he'd want to have an all-black championship fight in an ideal world. The question is whether he'd push for it in the social (and financial) environment of the times.
     
  13. Ted Spoon

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    Interesting points. I get the sense Langford would agree to a Johnson fight as he would like to get even.

    And then, to his eternal chagrin, a beautifully conditioned Jack Johnson would edge him out of a very gutsy fight over 45 rounds.
     
  14. Cmoyle

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    "The question is whether he'd push for it in the social (and financial) environment of the times."

    He and his manager did push for it, for years. Would I be correct in assuming you haven't read my book about Sam Langford?
     
  15. mcvey

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    I thought it was common knowledge that Langford chased Johnson just as doggedly as Johnson chased Burns.That of course does not mean that Woodman and Langford might not want to tackle Ketchel first and, as Langford gained more weight and strength,then go after the bigger prize. Ohterwise, why the quotes from Woodman that Adam discovered?