The "All Things Mayweather/Pacquiao" Express!!!!!!

Fair enough. I just don't get people who blame it all on Mayweather. Obviously he should shoulder some of the blame. But even with the demand of a blood test I just don't think it's a big deal. That's pretty much everything I've got on the topic.

 

Originally Posted by Vanboxingfan View Post
True, but it would still be a style that Floyd hasn't fought before and it would still be a good test to see how he deals with it. Let's face it, Floyd's got maybe 2-3 fights left in him, and the fans just want to see him fight the best before he's done. That would include Pac and GGG.

come on man, is this really your thinking. if so you are just flat out a hater and want floyd to get injured OR (considering all u do is babble about floyd) you think he is the greatest fighter ever and his skills are so far superior you think he needs to go even higher..
whatever about rjj and duran and srl, they ALL started in divisions that would be considered lower than their absolute best weight.
well, srl (might) had been best at WW but, srl himself said he would be stronger in the 150's 160's.
srl was naturally bigger then floyd. that in indisputable yet thats who you are comparing him to.

lets be honest, srl was well into retirement at floyds age and, when he fought a few years youger than floyd is he was getting thrashed by a old cherry picked camacho while floyd was thrashing ssm and jmm. amd years later floyd is still thrashng top WW's and top JMW's.

I don't want to see him fight jr welterweights, I want him to fight jr middleweights or middleweights. I don't say this because I don't like him, quite the opposite, I say this because I want to see just how damn good he is. And if he lost against GGG for example nobody's going to hold that against him, and most of all he would get respect just for taking the fight, especially at 160.


As for your comments on the prior post, Duran started at 117 and beat Barkley at 160, let's see Floyd do the same thing, since he's bigger than Duran is.
young man, floyds best weight was 140's and could had stayed there for ever , barkley ? there is no barkey bu
floyd coud trash martinez at 160 if it was worth it.
you're having a hard comprehending that srl, dura, rjj and most others simply grew out of those divisions while floyd had to address his body and build himself above 140. and the dude is the smallest (him and paq can lay claim to this) figher in 140 and 147 he yet he took on the jmw reconized champ and tamed him like he does everyone.

you guys that are saying he needs to go as high as past time all time greats that were simply bigger than him goes to show how elite he is.

If you want to be remembered as an ATG you have to dare to challenge yourself.
dude no one within boxing or any true fan can every say he isnt an ATG. dude thats just being a ignorant hater

Took awhile for Jones to figure that out, but he eventually went up to heavy and challenged, and beat, Ruiz. He weighed 193 for that fight and Ruiz was about 230 I believe. Toney did much the same, beating old man Holyfield.

dude rjj was 193 of shredded muscle, and he was fighting someone as slow as one can possibly be. you really think rjj beating ruiz is what made him as ATG ? dude his resume (thats all you guys care about) rjj resume is so far below floyds its not even a question. Floyd is head and shoulder a better ATG than rjj. when you are that big and powerful against a ruiz your e hadskills show up even more, ruiz must had looked like had wrist ad ankle weights on, rjj was used to much faster an more technical lhw's.. that win didnt do much for me since they were on two totally different levels. .. ya he could have been caught on paper but really, was there any chance he could lose ?

Roy's big mistake was trying to move back down to lightheavy, he should have just stayed at heavy or cruiser weight.
yes i agree, i was a jones fan and knew that was a huge mistake coming all the wat down and fighting tarver. before the fight he said he was about 75%. and i dont think it was possible for him to get back to 100%..

he was in the best condition he could have been in with tarver rematch. and thats what floyd talks about, 1 shot can end a career and end a fighter. exibit A is rjj, he had the fight completely ripped out of him by tarver.. you say ruiz was rjj greatest feat, i saay it was the worst thing he could had done unless he was planning on fighting a couple top 5 (real top 5) hw's

we just differ in opinons, like you say floyd ducks everyone. i go be the facts surrounding all situation.. floyd is addicted to money so he has to get more than anyone. But, saying that when h offers fighters their biggest paydays multiple times and they decline each and every time i have to laugh at those calling him a coward and ducker because the facts say otherwise

 

RJJ 's resume is lower than Floyd's
His two wins over Toney and Hopkins in their prime are better than anything on Floyd's entire resume .

 

dude 2 TWO wins will never be able to out do 20+ world champions.
as a whole floyds blows his way..

you could argue jones has the best single 2 wins but the best from #3 to #25 is all floyd

 

...which leads us back to the importance of a pacman fight
if you want to find out how good Floyd is, I would think this is still the most important fight - more important than fighting legit 154 or 160, which is clearly a step too far

 

Well for starters I don't think I mentioned SRL even once, it was SRR I was referring to. Secondly Duran never grew into a 160lb fighter and even then he stepped into the ring weighing 154. Thirdly, I never said Floyd ducked anyone, although I do think he deserves to be critised for the Pac fight not coming off.

As for Jones, I've said the exact same thing, once he was at 193 he should have just stayed there, coming back down really harmed him.

 

This was on one of the threads that got amalgamated into this one, a couple of days ago, the vast majority, about 70% had Floyd outside the top 30, and many had him outside the top 50.

 

i have always said i would love a paq fight but the dude keeps turning it down. seriously what is floyd supposed to do ?

now paq and arum are making sure they dont get cornered after tim by demanding a jmm 5 fight

WTF, jmm is WAY past it, move in paq. now they cant fight floyd until 2015/ always was cash out for paq.
how much more clear can paq make it that he doesnt want anything to do with floyd. i dont agree he needs jmm. i think serg beats cotto then floyd should he take care of him in a one off fight.

ggg is way way too much for any WW present and past..
but paq refused to be open to the fight unless its talked about in interviews then he is always ready..

actions speak louder than words and paq has told us he will NOT entertain any floyd fight

 

Where do you come up with this b.s., first he's the best since Hagler, which he isn't Hopkins clearly is, and now he's unbeatable by any WW alive or dead. Nonsense.

Both SRR and SRL would have had a good shot at beating him as would Hearns. Jose Napoles, Mikey Walker, and other greats. He's a decent middleweight as things currently stand.

 

dude i go off what i studied his strength and power is TOO much for any 147 lber ever. i dont care what you think. you guys are missing out on sme special.

you will all see when he beats ward within the next 2 years. then ALL your opinion will change. srl would NOT have a chance, one of the most over rated fighter on esb.. atg yes but not half what some claim.

mw ggg would destroy any ww version of him. **** he was about washed up by ggg age. so his skills couldnt carry him later in his 30's like say Floyd

 

Please those cherry pics u kidding had Jones done that he would have doubled the amount of world champs ..Not one 1st ballot hall of famer in their prime on that resume !

 

kid
jones was the ultimate cherry picker.
if you just started following boxing its pretty damn impossible to cherry pick ALL champs an top fighters.

dude floyd fights the best in ALL divisions, its just 1 guy keeps turning the fight down. i would think after 45 fights over half against champs and #1 contenders which were former champs and or future champs you or "fans" can see obvious greatness.
its been smacking every fan in the face for 2 decades

why cant every fighter cherry pick champs and WIN them all ?

 

Time will tell, but to me GGG is a good middleweight period. He hasn't shown me that he's better than Hopkins, or that he's indestructible.

 

Floyd fights all the best please enlighten as to who were those great fighters in their prime ?

Your boy is king cherry picker Jones started at 154 and went all the way up to HW with wins against much bigger fighters actual hall of famers in their prime and no semi retirements because he was afraid of the competition or his health though he should hung them up a long time ago.


All the best of the division:rofl

 

so you are agreeing with me, ok bout time
floyd has ALWAYS fought the real champ in each div NO ONE else does that..

its only possible for floyd to cherry pick the real champs, when had he not fought the reconized champ ? please enlighten me. i agree floyd is that great where current champs, future HOF ers and current reconized top fighter in his div are cherry picks..

only time he has ever come out looking like a cherry picker is this fight wit kahn and its going to backfire aging 37 yr old doesnt want to see a fast long volume puncher. floyd will win but will be his toughest fight since the late 90's