The "All Things Mayweather/Pacquiao" Express!!!!!!

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"...it's the hypocrisy of Floyd's fans that's funny..." - Doug Fisher (RING TV)

 

your funny bro. History will show that pac didnt do blood testing for Mayweather but did 4 years later for Rios. Fan of both but those are the facts. I kinda felt disrespected by pac when he did that, that was a slap ni the face to boxing fans around the world.

Mayweather doesnt have to say steriod Era...IT IS THE STERIOD ERA!! Do you not watch sports?? have you seen the baseball, football,ufc, boxing, the best cyclist ever was juicing. I seen no reason on why Pac couldnt do it unless he was juiced. If i was Holyfield i would've been like for what?? but even then he knew it was his shot to take out the champ so just do it and lets get it on...Only if Pac would've did that...

 

manny created the 10 million dollar per pound weight penalty, floyd called his bluff and then the brokeback clown ran for the hills, when asked for a drug test?

 

Do you think if Pac agreed with the testing the fight will happen ? Because, according to Floyd, he will not fight Pac as long as he's with Arum. History will show that Floyd has too many demands / excuses to avoid Pac.

 

i feel bad for people like you guys, get your kicks internet stalking floyd and only hating on him. i can guarantee you guys have seen his last 20 or so fights, have seen dozens of his youtibe videos and sadly pay more attentio to what he does than what you gf or wife does..

no one on the internet can make me made, but it annoying seeing the ALTs posting the same garbage over and over and over. its all such bs too, coward this duck that cherry pick here. and yet you are the guys that follow floyd way morue than is regular fans.

to show that much hate towards someone and show tat much ignorance about such topics is beyond sad. you guys dont even realize this is EXACTLY what floyd worked toward.s peoole that hate him are just as important if not more important than people who love his skills..

he mocks you guys and certain opponents so bad its pretty damn hard to believe the floyd haters can tell the difference between him mocking you guys, getting people talking about him nonstop and when he is being serious. the only time he is serious is when he is doing a serious interview.. meaning with a serious interviewer about real topics..

he has worked hard since breaking away from arum to be in this exact position. people nott being able to go 5 mins of boxing talk without bring his name up. dude he rules every single boxing msg board and rules youtube boxing. he literally takes up 80-85% of all boxing talk..

and about 70-75% is from his haters.. lol makes clowns of you guys

 

Yes!! Everything was ready and agreed upon. 50-50, golves, 10 mil every pound over. al he had to do was do that. Now after 4 years of drama hes done with Arum!

He's hated Arum for years but actually put it all aside to make the mega fight but it didnt happen and he knows arum had something to do with it so screw him

 

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of course it would had, if not paq could have sued the sh!t out fo them because there was contracts. all paq had to do was sign and probably take 3/ test max. and NON within 2 phukin weeks. and had a 50/50 which shocked me...

floyd is now completly sick of aum. due to all the BS run arounds, them trying to sway the people (only ignorant young kids) that t was floyds fault because he only bent 90% of the way totry and meet paqs endless excuses and to meet the many paq demands..

paq literally had 3 separate opportunities to take the fight not 3 different offers at once.. 3 separate offers at 3 separate times. he wouldnt take any of them and ALL were a MIN 10M more than he ever made..but the paq fans, well more like the floyd haters dont want to accept those facts.

you know you're huge when you have more haters than the 2nd biggesst name has fans

 

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This it's always something with Floyd yet his fans refuse to see it .

 

Lets see... Who had the most demands Pac or Floyd? It will show who really wanted the fight... Anyone?

 

Reading this will vastly increase your knowledge of boxing. If you want to even begin to have a vast knowledge of boxing this is a must read.

Floyd mayweather, although clearly p4p number 1 today, is extremely overrated and is a bum compared to all time greats. I did not call Floyd a bum in general, but Floyd is a bum when compared to the boxing greats. Foolish fans try to put floyd in the top 35 p4p because Floyd appears great by dominating a weak era - just like rocky Marciano and wilt chamberlain dominated weak eras in their time. Now back to the lecture at hand. Perfection is perfected so Imma let you understand.

Let's look at Floyd's "noteworthy" wins.

1) Diego "padded record" corrales - a bum who never beat a notable fighter and got showed up by Castillo clottey and casamayor. Paper champion. Did not beat an elite fighter EVER. The fact that he was rated above Floyd, Hopkins, Lennox, Roy Jones in 2001 proves that he is extremely overrated and for this reason people perceive Floyd's victory as noteworthy when it is not. And I don't care if Lennox lost in 2001 he was still better than Corrales could hope to be.

2) Arturo "punching bag" gatti - before rios was the punching bag u had gatti who was an exciting boxer but nothing more than a walking punching bag and never beat anyone. Micky Ward was never an elite fighter, just an exciting punching bag. Ward does not count as a notable win aside from the excitement value of the fight.

3) Jose L Castillo - a guy who was never an elite fighter and still managed to beat floyd bumweather in the first fight but got robbed by the judges. Showed up Floyd and exposed him as a fighter who is only good at fighting his own fight and why he'd get crushed by Guys like Duran Armstrong Leonard hearns Langford Walker Smith Pernell and more. No excuses about Floyd's shoulder can be used. Holyfield fought a good fight vs Moorer with a hurt shoulder and roy jones beat bernard hopkins EASY with a broken right hand. If Floyd wants to hold a candle to those guys the my shoulder hurts excuse can't be used. Yes floyd did win the second fight, but the fact remains he got showed up by a good but not great fighter in Castillo. Castillo is certainly not an all time great and beating him does not propel you into the all time great ranks. Losing to this guy definitely hurts your stock.

4) Zab undisputed paper champion Judah - not a true undisputed champion. Got crushed by guys like Cory spinks and kosta tzyu. Even lost to Baldomir. Avenging a loss against Spinks is not notable because there should not have been a need to avenge it in the first place. Funny thing is even a joke like Judah was dominatin the first 4 rounds (knocking down Floyd) before he ran out of gas.

5) Carlos "Basura" Maldomir - no notable wins or skill. Zab Judah is not a notable win. Gatti is a punching bag and nothing more. Baldomir had his 15 minutes of fame from beating Judah/Gatti and that was it. Paper champion like the vast majority of Floyd's title fight opponents.

6) Ricky fatten hatton - like his overrated countryman calzaghe (who was gifted a W vs hopkins) he fought against no names his whole career and had a padded record. Malignaggi does not count as a good win. No technique no chin for hatton and a meaningless W like almost all of Floyd's wins. The fact that he was rated high on the p4p list only shows how sheep are quick to follow the herd when they have no knowledge of boxing. Most pound for pound rankings are a popularity/marketability contest these days and do not accurately reflect true skill.

7) Oscar de la fishnet - another overrated fighter who was gifted wins over sturm and Whitaker, and almost every time he fought an elite fighter got crushed - look at what happens EVERY TIME he fights top level guys. Mosley (lost twice, tough decision in fight 2) Hopkins (KO) pacquiao (TKO) Whitaker (robbery) Trinidad (3 rounds of running - not something a true champion would do) Sturm (robbery). Oscar must have had Sven Ottke as his mentor with the number of gifted decisions he got. Padded record like Floyd making a career of beating bums like Vargas Chavez Camacho and Ricardo "one hit wonder" Mayorga. Yes Chavez is a bum he made a career of fighting cab drivers (as did Camacho) and was lucky to survive Meldrick Taylor. And Oscar actually gave the "great" Floyd may weather problems and a competitive first 8 rounds before gassing like Zab SuperWack Judah. Pathetic. Oscar has the fake clean cut image and the money but thats about it since his boxing alone could not make him a star. Extremely overrated and not a notable win for a supposedly all time great.

8. Marquez - this everyone has to admit was a masterful performance by mayweather. Amazing defense reflexes and accurate counterpunching. Marquez never did anything the whole fight and couldnt get on the inside. Amazing technical brilliance by mayweather. But Marquez is the only legit prime fighter on Floyd's resume. Plus - outside of Marco Antonio Basura and Manny Wackquiao - who has marquez beaten? Undersized and tailor made for Floyd like rios for pacquiao. Marquez is a great win and a good fighter but lets not blow this win out of proportion. Beating Marquez alone does not put you in the all time ranks. Even Tim Bradley Freddie Norwood and Chris John beat Marquez. Marquez nunca seria con los mejores en boxeo y nunca podria ser. I advise every non-Spanish speaking person reading this flawless masterpiece to learn Spanish since they will be missing out on wisdom of the highest degree.

9) Shane Mosley - Floyd likes to criticize other fighters for fighting leftovers when 90% of his fights are leftovers. Mosley was Vernon Forrest and winky wright leftovers by the time he got to floyd. Old gassed and not as explosive or fast as in his prime. Despite that he nearly knocked out Floyd and crushed his supposedly Whitaker-like defense in the first 2 rounds before - again - gassing like all of floyds past prime opponents. Mosley did beat Margacheato and Mayorga prior to smashing Floyd's face in during the second round, but it is evident from Mosley's lack of activity in the next 10 rounds that he wasn't the same Shane that whipped Overrated De la Fishnet.

10) Miguel cotto - great fighter. Unfortunately he was margacheato and pacquaios punching bag before he got to Floyd. Despite being past his prime he showed up Floyd for 4 rounds and who knows how a prime cotto would have done. The "impregnable" defense of mayweather didn't seem so unstoppable when Floyd's face was cut up like the deer I killed a few weeks ago. Again, Floyd's hypocrisy is exposed as he criticizes other fighters for fighting leftovers.

11) Victoria Ortiz - never should have been in the ring to begin with. got crushed by maidana and beat another overrated guy in berto. After he headbutts Floyd and gets what he deserves with a knockout - yes what Floyd did is justifiable 100% since it was legal and Ortiz fought dirty in the first place - we again saw the fake paper champion and how weak he is when he quit against Lopez. Ortiz was basically a tune up fight like Bowe vs Ferguson it means literally nothing.

12) Robert Guerrero - like Ortiz. Beat a bum in berto and lost to guys like salido while also lying to a ringside doctor in his fight vs Yordan about the seriousness of his cut so he could get away with a no contest. The nickname of Ghost suits him since he disappears against guys he can't fight (Salido, Yordan) No notable wins. Padded record just like floyd and his competition. Like Ortiz, this win is worthless. Apparently, beating Berto is enough to get you a fight against a supposedly "all time great" fighter.

13) Canelo "basura" Alvarez - Canelo no sabe cómo pelear el solamente ganó contra bums como trout Maldomir y un Mosley viejo. No se porque los Mexicanos estaban pensando que canelo tenia una opportunidad ser "el one". Canelo no sabia que estaba haciendo en el ring y nunca vencio a un gran campeon (Mosley era viejo al tiempo que el perdio). In summary Canelo is a bum and another meaningless W. Barely beating Austin Trout who got exposed in the fight after does not make you a notable opponent. Again, if you dont know how to speak Spanish then learn it because you are missing out on some flawless wisdom of the highest degree.

Now look at Floyd's next few potential opponents.

1) Amir "King of the glass chin" Khan - no defense. No jab. No size. Only speed. Even most of the people who overrate Floyd realize this is a pathetic excuse for a fight. His win over Maidana was OK but since then his stock has taken a bigger nosedive than Enron.

2) Maidana - good fighter. Not at an elite level though and a win over him will not put Floyd among the greats. Has been easily outboxed by technical guys before.

3) Pacquiao - fought many of the same guys as Floyd and most of them were not in their primes or fighting at catch weights. One thing Manny has in common with Floyd is that he is incredibly overrated. Once u take away his left cross like Marquez did he has nothing to offer. Leaves himself open to counters against technical guys. Would be a good win and slightly propel floyd higher up the list - would up his stock a lot more if it was a prime pacquiao.

4) Lara - interesting fight as Lara got robbed against Williams and crushed Trout. Give him a few more fights and we'll see if he's a worthy opponent. Beating Lara if he keeps fighting like he has should push Floyds' stock slightly higher.

 

5) Sergio Martinez - willing to drop to 154 but Floyd not willing to fight Sergio even though Floyd has fought numerous times there. Past greats - Hearns Duran Langford Toney Jones Jr all move up to fight much bigger fighters than themselves compared to Mayweather fighting at 154. No excuses for not doing that fight. If Sam Langford weighed 156 when he fought Jack Johnson the least Floyd could do is fight Sergio at 154. Of course, now Sergio is old and beat down. It would still be impressive if Floyd beat this guy. Maybe it would propel him into the top 35 p4p all time.

6) Bernard Hopkins - BHop even at 49 would put a whipping on Floyd guaranteed. Bernard knows how to rough up someone like Floyd and make it dirty. Unlike Floyd, Bernard is an all time great fighter. Weight difference is too great though so this fight can't be expected to happen even at 160. If Floyd's prayers were answered and he somehow did miraculously win this fight that would be mind blowing.

7) Golovkin - even though he has not completely proven himself yet, beating a bigger and explosive guy like Golovkin at 154 would be impressive and up Floyd's stock. But Floyd is too weak and unwilling to fight bigger guys who can fight (Canelo and Oscar don't count. They are wack and can't fight)

8. Tim Bradley - barely squeaked by Provodnikov. Dominated by Pacquiao. Did have a good win vs Marquez. Does not consistently win convincingly. (I don't care if he's undefeated, what also matters is HOW you win vs how much). Not on the same level as the names on other great fighters records.

9) Danny Garcia - smaller guy for Floyd and has a exposable defense like what happened vs Khan for a few rounds and against Matthyse. Good fighter impressive wins but, again not a guy that will put Floyd among the greats.

Remember - saying those past and future opponents have belts doesn't mean anything. John Ruiz was a champion but not exactly an elite fighter. Also saying stuff like oh Ricky Hatton/Corrales etc was rated such and such on the p4p list at the time doesn't prove anything. At one point overrated Oscar was the number 1 p4p ahead of guys like Roy Jones and Holyfield while other fighters like Hamed + Tapia were ahead of Lennox Lewis. Now that Golden Boy is in charge of Ring Magazine the p4p rankings show extreme bias towards certain fighters. (putting Canelo in the top 10 p4p and listing him as the lineal 154 champ before Floyd beat him). Most pound for pound rankings are a popularity/marketability contest these days and do not accurately reflect true skill. Copy pasting rankings/records/statistics proves nothing if you don't put them in context. Doing so will not make paper champions (Hatton/Corrales/Ortiz/Judah) appear more legitimate.

Also remember - records don't mean everything - Brian Nielsen 64-3, rocky Marciano 49-0 joe calzaghe 45-1 (the Hopkins win was a robbery), Ricky hatton 45-3 better records statistically compared to guys like evander 44-10-2, Ali 56-5, roy jones 57-8, b hopkins 54-6-2 even though they couldn't hold a candle to these fighters. Floyds 45-0 (actual 44-1 because of Castillo) is a padded record and does not legitimize him as an all time great

All of these boxers (IN NO PARTICULAR ORDER) are pound for pound better than Floyd. A higher pound for pound ranking means that fighter X's career is more impressive/notable/accomplished. These are not the only ones out there better than Floyd. Yes, all boxers (including the ones higher than Floyd) of every era have fought tomato cans and bums like Manny and Floyd have, but these men's wins against notable opponents far outweigh anything that a present day fighter has done or will do, at least for the foreseeable future.

1. Joe Louis - beat Schmeling, Baer, Braddock, Conn, Walcott. 25 HW title defenses in 11 years when Floyd's whole career consists of 45 fights in 18 years

2. Sam langford - a lightweight beating up heavyweights, was 30 pounds lighter than heavyweight Jack Johnson when he fought him, also beat Harry Wills, Gans, and Ketchel. A lightweight fighting an all time great heavyweight and giving him a competitive fight (even if he lost) is much more impressive than Floyd beating oversized bums like Canelo and a washed up Oscar.

3. Henry Armstrong - number 2 p4p all time. Held 3 titles simultaneously in an era with only 8 weight classes and one title per class. No Junior/Super weight classes and no 4 belts per weight class. Beat Barney Ross, Fritzie Zivic and more

4. Walker Smith (Sugar Ray Rob) - the greatest. No need to explain but I will anyway because these kids these days don't know nothing bout boxing. 128-1-2 in his prime, and he fought and beat the best of his era even after his prime - Olson, Lamotta, Basora, Turpin, Fullmer, Costner, Gavilan you could go on and on

5. Ray Leonard - finished Benitez, made Duran quit, came from behind to beat Tommy Hearns. After a 3 year layoff moved up in weight to fight Hagler and in my opinion lost but you could make a case for either guy winning.

6. Marvin Hagler - finished Hearns in 3 rds. again, you could score Leonard Hagler either way. beat Duran. KOd Mugabi and beat Hamsho twice

7. Tommy Hearns - got robbed in a rematch with Ray Leonard, KOd Duran in 2 ROUNDS!!!! beat Benitez. Even when he was past his prime he beat Virgil Hill. He did lose to Barkley but Barkley was much bigger than him and styles make fights. Conversely Floyd has never fought someone like Vernon Forrest or Winky Wright who have the perfect style to beat him like Barkley did vs Hearns.

8. Roberto Duran - first man to beat Ray Leonard. also beat Iran Barkley (and Duran is a natural LIGHTWEIGHT). Conversely, Floyd's only win over a prime and legitimate opponent, and his best win comes against an undersized guy (Marquez).

 

Duran is the greatest 135er of all time. Had one slip up vs Esteban Jesus (and relatively early in his career) which he avenged easily twice.

9. Roy jones - had a lot of not so great opposition but - he beat Hopkins with a broken right hand EASILY, destroyed an undefeated James Toney, beat Cesar Gonzalez, KOd Virgil Hill, was a middleweight and moved up to heavyweight to win a belt. - Of course, Ruiz is not a great heavyweight but regardless it is mind blowing that a middleweight had the skill to even step in to a ring versus a heavyweight let alone dominate. Thats not as crazy as Langford fighting Jack Johnson but its still insane.

10. Bhopkins - I would say his robbery vs Calzaghe was a notable win especially at over 40 but Calzaghe fought bums his whole career - a washed up RJJ doesnt count. Regardless - BHop dominated an undefeated Trinidad, KOd Oscar (who is overrated but the same competition that Floyd and Manny fought - only he wasn't as washed up when he fought Bernard), beat Winky Wright who was on a 12-0-1 streak, the only man to finish Glen Johnson, moved up 2 classes to beat Tarver, destroyed an undefeated Pavlik at over 40 years old. and beat Pascal twice even though he got robbed with a draw. - still fighting at the highest level at the age of 49

11. Ezzard Charles - beat the great Joe Louis. as a blown up 175er he was making overrated Marciano have problems. Beat guys like Maxim, Bivins, Archie Moore, and Reynolds. You young kids these days don't know nothing about the real boxers so you probably won't recognize those names. However, they were more substance than name value - which you can't say about today's era. Beat and lost to Jersey Joe Walcott also

12. Archie Moore - Also like Ezzard, a blown up 175er who gave Marciano a lot of problems. Beat, Maxim, Olson, Valdes,

13. Jersey Joe Walcott - beat Charles, Bivins, Maxim, etc. Crushed overrated Rocky as a blown up 175er before getting KOd. (Remember, you have to factor in that this is a old fighter at a much lower natural weight class whipping a top level HW - he did lose, but the fact that he and guys like Moore and Charles were causing problems despite those disadvantages is notable - just like Langford making Johnson have a tough fight)

14. Evander Holyfield - Undisputed Cruiser and Heavyweight champ. Beat Qawi at cruiser. Easily beat Riddick Bowe in fight 2, avenged his loss to Moorer, beat Tyson, beat an old Foreman and Holmes - who were still notable wins despite being old (unlike Oscar or some other guys), beat Ray Mercer too. For a natural cruiser to dominate the HW division is mind-blowing (even if he was roided out of his mind - skills pay the bills)

15. Lennox Lewis - beat every man he ever faced. Beat Holyfield twice. Finished Tommy Morrison. KOd Golota in one round (who should've beaten Bowe if he wasn't an idiot). Smashed in the overrated Vitali's face despite being 38, fat, and in the worst shape of his career while Vitali was in his prime.

16. Larry Holmes - beat Cooney, Shavers twice, Norton, and robbed vs Spinks. Even though Larry was old he still beat Ray Mercer.

17. Muhammad Ali - Patterson, Liston, Foreman, Frazier, Norton (he did get a few gifts though - also a gift vs Jimmy Young), Quarry, Bonavena, Ellis. Not much explanation needed

18. Joe Frazier - the only people to beat him are Foreman and Ali. Still beat Ali, Quarry, Bob Foster, Bonavena, Jimmy Ellis.

19. George Foreman - absolutely crushed Frazier and Norton. beat Ronny Lyle. In his old age he gave Holyfield a tough fight when he shouldn't have even been in the ring at 40+. Won the title again in his old age KOing Moorer. His old version still beat Gerry Cooney.

20. Willie Pep - greatest defensive fighter of all time. Beat top contenders but the majority of you people won't know any of their names so no reason to waste time writing them.

21. Jack Johnson - he did duck Langford after beating him, but he still whipped top guys like Jeffries, Fitzsimmons (the only other man to do what RJJ did going from MW to HW), Burns, Ketchel. And he fought in a bare knuckle era so he had to deal with taking more punishment. Despite his ducking, the fights that he didn't duck make his career better than Floyd's by a long shot. And he had the balls to marry a white woman in the early 20th century.

22. Harry Greb - only man to beat Tunney. Ducked by Dempsey. beat Micky Walker. Floyd is 45-0 in his whole career. Harry Greb was 45-0 in one year alone. And he didn't fight all bums in that year like Floyd has.

23. Pernell Whitaker - he did have a lot of weak opposition but theres a few things he has that put him above. He had much better defense than Floyd - and thats not a knock on Floyd. Pernell was just that good. He crushed Oscar when Oscar was in his prime and Pernell was near the end. Old Pernell did much better against prime Oscar than a prime Floyd did against an old Oscar. He also beat Vasquez and Azumah Nelson (2 guys that don't get respect because they were more substance than name value), and beat Chavez easy. Chavez was overrated, but the manner in which Pernell crushed him is unbelievable and the manner in which he beat Chavez is enough to put him high. Pernell beating Chavez is more impressive than Oscar beating Chavez, because Chavez was still undefeated and prime when Pernell whipped him.

24. Tiger Flowers - wins over Micky Walker, and multiple wins over Greb. More notable than any of Floyd's wins

25. Barney Ross - wins over Canzoneri, Ceferino, and McLarnin. Far more notable than Floyd's best wins over Marquez and washed up Oscar

26. Mickey Walker - wins over Britton and Flowers far more notable than any of Floyd's wins.

27. Gene Tunney - Tunney is overrated because the majority of his career he fought a lot of bums. But so did Floyd - if they weren't bums, they were padded records,also overrated, or washed up fighters. Because Tunney and Floyd are both overrated, Tunney's wins over Greb, Jeff Smith, Gibbons, and also overrated Dempsey are more notable than Floyd's career of even weaker opposition.

28. Joe Gans - Did fight a lot of bums but his notable wins are greater than Floyd's - Dobbs, Elbows Mcfadden, Steve Crosby, etc.

29. Benny Leonard - Same thing as Gans - beat Britt, Welsh, Kilbane, Britton

30. Bob Fitzsimmons - looks are deceiving. Other than RJJ he is the only guy to go from middleweight to the heavyweight title. Big wins over Peter Maher and Philly Jack O Brien.

31. Jimmy McLarnin - beat Canzoneri, Glick, Benny Leonard and Barney Ross. notable wins are greater than Floyd's

32. Tony Canzoneri - beat Bill Petrolle, Kid Chocolate, Klick, Dublinsky - all bigger wins than Floyd's wins.

33. Jake Lamotta - Raging Bull is one of the most overrated films ever made. But Lamotta beat the GOAT once, Zivic multiple times, and Basora. If you think any of Floyd's wins are even close to on par with an undefeated Sugar Ray Rob you are delusional.

34. James Toney - at the very very least, you can say that he is on the same level as Floyd. finished the underrated and undefeated Michael Nunn, beat Mike McCallum, went from middleweight and should have won the HW title if it wasn't for a failed drug test. Regardless - skills pay the bills, not drugs, so that doesnt diminish his HW accomplishments. Even though Evander was old when James TKOd him, it is still impressive coming from a middleweight. And Toney wasn't exactly a spring chicken at the time either. Meanwhile Floyd is unwilling to fight Sergio at 154 (Canelo doesnt count - Canelo was there just to sell ppv and be the face of Golden Boy, not to be a good fighter, which he isn't)

35. Carlos Monzon - another extremely overrated fighter with 90% of his career full of no names. But Floyd is also overrated with around the same level of weak competition, so when looking at them from an equally overrated point of view, Monzon's wins over Griffith, Benvenuti, Mundine, Moyer are better than Floyd's best wins.

36. Emile Griffith - also overrated, but his wins over Rodriguez, Benvenuti, Tiger, and Archer outclass Floyd's weak wins.

There may be more, but I don't want to bless you with too much knowledge or it might be too much for you people to handle. When you try to give sight to blind sheep that follow the herd, you have to open their eyes slowly. Opening the eyes of blind sheep too quickly it might cause them to deny the truth even more vehemently once they finally see it in front of their eyes.

The following arguments that I am going to write below this paragraph are fallacious and if anyone tries to use these arguments to dispute these facts that have been written it will only prove one's own incompetence - much like Floyd Mayweather has demonstrated incompetence in claiming he is the greatest, when he is not even a top 35 p4p fighter. I will dismantle these weak arguments in the same way Castillo dismantled Mayweather in April 2002.

 

1) Mayweather makes his opponents look bad thats why it seems like their bums. - NO. the INDISPUTABLE FACT is that his opponents are unworthy of holding a belt, past their prime, old, washed up, overrated, padded records like Floyd, or any combination of these. (With the ONE exception of Marquez - and a blind squirrel finds an acorn every now and then so don't blow this one win out of proportion, as notable and impressive as it is.)

2) Mayweather 45-0. - So what? Calzaghe 46-0 (actually 45-1 cuz BHop got robbed) Marciano 49-0 Brian Nielsen at one point 49-0. padded record means nothing. Harry Greb matched Floyd's whole career in the one year he went 45-0. What's your point?

3) A lot of Floyd's wins like Baldomir, Hatton, Corrales, Ortiz were against champions. - That means nothing. You don't even have to be an elite fighter to be a champion in boxing today and that is a testament to how comparatively weak Floyd's era is compared to past eras. All these guys were/are champions too Lamont Peterson (even after losing to Matthyse), Danny Green, John Ruiz, Byrd, Sanders, Valuev, Angel Cuello. There's a difference between fighting belt-holders (Floyd's opponents) and real champions (Big 4 era, pre mid-2000s HW era, etc.) This isn't an era where holding belts in three weight classes actually means something. Even a fool like Broner is a 2 division champ and he skipped 140. You can't compare that to Henry Armstrong simultaneously being the FW, LW, and WW champ (in an era with only 8 weight classes no less).

4) Floyd has the best defense of all time. - Nope. Roy Jones (from an athletic and reflex perspective) Willie Pep Pernell Whitaker all way better in their primes at defense. And they did it against better competition. Floyd got smacked up by old Mosley, Judah, old overrated Oscar, old Cotto, Castillo. Yes he has an AMAZING defense but not the best.

5) oh well what do u know about boxing have u ever been in a fight? - No relevance to the topic. we're not talking about me we're talking about floyd mayweather don't go off topic. This will only prove that you have no legitimate argument to back up Floyd's claim that he is among the best. (Then again, no one on this planet past or present has a legitimate argument for such a thing)

6) If floyd was in the 50s 60s 70s 80s he would crush duran leonard robinson hearns armstrong langford. - People who say this might very well be the dumbest boxing fans on earth and if I really need to explain how stupid this statement is then humankind might as well kill itself to prevent further deterioration of the gene pool

7) Floyd makes the most money/ppv out of any boxer in history. - And? what does money have to do with anything? money doesn't make you a better fighter.

8. Oh well Floyd fights in this era you can't compare him to other eras - I just did. Floyd fights in a weak era compared to the strong eras of the past. Because of that, Mayweather's wins are not anywhere near as notable as the past fighters extremely notable wins in much more competitive eras.

9) Floyd has been undefeated for 18 years. - So what? Since 2001 (when Floyd just started becoming a big name) Floyd has not fought more than 3 times in a year, and that was only once in 2005 . Every other year Floyd fought 1-2 times and even took a year off. Floyd has 45 fights in 18 years. Thats about 2.5 fights a year. Sugar Ray Rob in his prime (128-1-2) fought on average 12 times a year. There is no comparison. Joe Louis had 25 defenses of his title in 11 years. Joe Louis' title defenses are more than half of Floyd's ENTIRE CAREER. Sam Langford knocked out almost TRIPLE the amount of people that Floyd has fought in his WHOLE CAREER. I could go on and on.

Now don't say something stupid like - oh Sugar Ray Leonard fought less times than Floyd, Floyd is better. Ray Leonard had a detached retina that required multiple surgeries and put him out of commission for a while. (Not a minor shoulder injury that Floyd used as an excuse when he got showed up by Castillo). In spite of that he returned and went on to fight the great Hagler (moving up in weight too) and won a very close fight (though I feel Hagler won), rematched Tommy Hearns (and lost but got gifted a draw), and beat (past his prime) Duran in a rubber match. Even though he should have gone 1-2, all those fighters are on a much higher level than Floyd. Also, his prior accomplishments (TKOing Hearns, making Duran quit, finishing Benitez) far outclass anything Floyd has done in his comparatively pathetic career. If you do find someone else on my list of boxers better than Floyd who has less fights or less fights per year, put their whole career in context and look at the level of competition. 100% guaranteed it is greater than Floyd's.

9) All the other great fighters in the past lost - yeah and they fought a million times better competition. Calzaghe never lost but he's a bum with a padded record and a gift over Hopkins. Does that make him an all time great? Ali fought Foreman Frazier Patterson Liston Holmes Norton. Roy Jones fought James Toney Bhopkins Mike Mccallum. Sugar Ray Rob fought lamotta armstrong gavilan fullmer turpin. Floyd has not fought anyone better than Marquez and Marquez does not compare to those fighters.

10) Floyd has 8 titles in 5 divisions - What's your point? This is not an era where that means a lot. There are four major belts per class, and Floyd won a lot of belts against paper champions (Hernandez, Manfredy, Juuko). You can't compare this to Henry Armstrong holding 3 titles possible in 3 weight classes (when there was only one belt per class) out of 8 possible weight classes. Floyd fought a weak level of competition in winning his belts. In the past eras, there was one title per class, no Super/Junior weight classes, no 4 belts per class, no minor intercontinental, international belts. Being a champion back then means a lot more than beating paper champions today.

Everything that has been written is based on IRREFUTABLE FACTUAL (not opinionated) statements. I challenge any human being on earth to try and disprove the wisdom that I have so graciously bestowed upon everyone who is reading this. I know everything, so I cannot be proven wrong with the wisdom and facts that I have presented. What has been written is wisdom of the highest degree and realistically/knowledgeably disputing or refuting this flawless masterpiece is an impossible task. Even the non-sequentially listed pound for pound list (when most p4p lists are subjective) is completely objective, unbiased, and FACTUAL - not opinionated. You might say - well all pound for pound lists are subjective/opininated. That is normally the case, but you have to factor in that this is MY pound for pound list (with the fighters listed in no particular order) - that makes it non-subjective and flawless.

I have been gracious enough to bestow this wisdom upon the readers of this mastery and one should not open their mouth (or type on their keyboard) unless it is in agreement with what has been presented. Foolishly attempting to disagree will only prove one's own incompetence in the same way Floyd Mayweather has proved his incompetence in his first fight against Castillo and in attempting to convince people of the farce that he is among the greatest. Those who have been convinced of this farce are sheep following the herd, nothing more. If anyone does miraculously and legitimately refute these FACTUAL (not opinionated or subjective) claims, I will respond to acknowledge my mistake. Unfortunately for those that disagree with my claims (foolishly so), that task is impossible. Therefore, the chances of receiving that response from me are negligible.

Sugar Ray Robinson - the greatest of all time

 

Floyd was the one that demanded the extra drug testing ! Now he's demanding that he leave his promoter ..It's clear who doesn't want the fight .