The "All Things Mayweather/Pacquiao" Express!!!!!!

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  1. eltirado

    eltirado Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Mayweather is focused on his financial status, so he is doing the right things...His legacy is hurt beyond repair at this point though :think
     
  2. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    And then she pops him in the back and the leg with an arrow... what a stone cold *****.

    As for the thread, yeah this guy tried way too hard.

    25 years from now his opinion and those who share it will be viewed as nothing more than contemporary hate of their era.
     
  3. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    Mayweather beat Hatton 18 months earlier than Pac.

    Mayweather beat Oscar 18 months earlier than Pac and at his actual weight class.

    Mayweather beat Mosley 12 months earlier than Pac.

    For these three examples, Mayweather clearly has the edge. As he does even more clearly with Marquez.

    Cotto would be the only common opponent victory that Pac has the better win over Floyd.
     
  4. I Know Everythi

    I Know Everythi Well-Known Member Full Member

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    The list is not numbered according to rank. I specifically said - In no particular order. You have demonstrated your incompetence in the same way that Floyd demonstrated his incompetence in failing to adequately deal with Castillo in April 2002
     
  5. Enigmadanks

    Enigmadanks Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You got about 30 years on me in boxing experience. I've been watching since the late 80's and I've also seen plenty of fights of the top notch guys from the 40's-60's (Louis, Pep, Marciano, MW Robinson, Ali, etc.).Resume wise I agree he's comfortably inside the top 35. He holds belts at 5 weight classes and is tied for the most lineal titles with 4 (tied with manny.)

    Obviously with the induction of the Junior/Super weight classes, those 2 fighters have been able to add extra lineal titles compared to old school fighters. But it's still extremely impressive nonetheless.

    He's one of the greatest counterpunching and defensive fighters in the history of the sport. His skill-set alone is probably only rivaled by a handful of boxers ever.
     
  6. I Know Everythi

    I Know Everythi Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I actually made a thread stating that Floyd is not a top 35 p4p fighter and I used some of those points. And yes you could point out the negatives of Ali, Duran but regardless - when you point out the positives they outweigh the positives of Floyd and Manny - because Floyd and Manny have relatively few positives
     
  7. Stallion

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    I've just read the text out of curiosity because it seemed like there are some good points, but it turned out that every Pacquiao's win was somehow discredited. Also, you are mistaking "notable" win with "quality" win. I won't get into the discussion about being "ATG" because at the end of the day, "ATG" doesn't exist in reality and you can associate that term with absolutely anything you want.

    1) Marco Antonio Barrera - This is basically how Pacquiao became known from my point of view, so it's surely a win of note. Plus Barrera was a good boxer and a warrior, so it was definitely a good win for Pacquiao, a great one on paper.

    2) Marquez - I've never rated this guy extremely high as well, but Pacquiao won the first 2 fights and lost the third, that's how I see it. The forth one was the KO and Pacquiao is losing this rivalry unless he clearly defeats Marquez in the 5th fight. This is also the most difficult stylistic match-up for Pacquiao.

    3) De La Hoya - For sure a notable win, because that's how Pacquiao (and Floyd) became a star. On the other hand, I don't consider that a very quality win because Oscar was way past his best (he was past his peak against Floyd as well) but he generally the bigger guy and the betting favorite so Pacquiao deserves the credit.

    Oscar did won some fights via controversial decisions, but his skills are actually often underrated on these forums. It was a close fights against Pernell, very close, but I believe that he should have done enough in order to win. He clearly robbed Felix Sturm. He lost one fight to Mosley but should have won the second one, it was a gift decision for Shane. He lost clearly to Mayweather although it was a close fight, but he still lost 8-4/7-5. I'm not giving much significance to his loss against Hopkins because Hopkins was a much bigger guy and the fight was obviously made just because of money. Chavez was a notable opponent because of his name and Oscar displayed very good skills in their fights, although I never rated Chavez' skills extremely highly. Regardless of that, Chavez was a big star and a legend and it was definitely a great win for Oscar that helped him establish himself.

    4) Ricky Hatton - I agree that his name was way bigger than his skills. I've never rated this guy highly but he was a big name obviously, especially in the UK. Hatton was nothing special in my opinion, although he was around the world level, but it isn't some great win for either Pacquiao nor Floyd.

    5) Miguel Cotto - Definitely a good win. This is a win the OP clearly fried to discredit for some reason. Cotto was very dangerous of everyone and the way Pacquiao beat him was impressive. It doesn't matter if he previously lost to Margarito 3 fights ago because he was coming strong and confident into the fight and wasn't some ruined fighter at the time. This win over Cotto is definitely rated higher than Floyd's win over Cotto in my opinion.

    6) Joshua Clottey - Agreed. Good but nothing special.

    7) Margarito - Another very good win for Pacquiao. Not so much because of Margarito's skills (which were never on some top level) but because of the fact that he was significantly bigger and was an aggressive, hard punching fighter with high workrate which constantly comes forward and has a good stamina. The way Pacquiao put a beating on him was impressive.

    8. Shane Mosley - Good win, but Shane was obviously past his best (plus he wasn't juiced up ala Roy Jones anymore). He obviously wasn't as fast as he used to be. Notable win but not among Manny's best.

    9) Bradley - I agree that Pacquiao should've won the fight (despite some hilarious people having it for Bradley or a draw) but it's definitely unfinished business and their upcoming fight should solve everything (assuming it won't be a razor close match). If Pacquiao wins, he will end the story and it will be another great win for him but if he loses, then the rivalry goes to Bradley and whatever happened in the first match will have less significance than it has today.

    10) Brandon Rios - A comeback fight, he was supposed to win and he did, nothing special.

    11) Erik Morales - Like, Barrera, Morales was a warrior with fairly good skills as well as being a big name, therefore it was a big and notable win for Pacquiao.


    That was my opinion on the mentioned fights, and I believe it's an objective one since I'm not a fan of either Pacquiao or Mayweather. As the matter of fact the whole situation about them (and generally the whole scene in their weight-classes) looks more like a circus rather than sport, but of course that doesn't mean that they aren't world class boxers.
     
  8. Sunchild78

    Sunchild78 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Pacquiao vs Cotto unnecessary catch weight in favor of Pac.

    Mayweather vs Cotto Older bigger Cotto at 154lbs
    Both wins were good wins, Pac win would of been better if he didn't use the catch weight to gain the advantage. So I give this one to Floyd.

    Mayweather vs Mosley. Mosley coming off of a big win KOing Margarito. He gave Floyd a problem in the second round just to get dominated the rest of the fight.

    Pacquiao vs Mosley. Pac floored Mosley in there fight, but didn't dominate the way he should of, considering Mosley was at least 40yrs of age coming off a not so great performance before they fought.
    I have to give this to Floyd as well. Although Mosley was not the same fighter he use to be. He was still the P4P#3 at the time coming off of a tremendous win.

    Mayweather vs Hatton. Hatton was a fighter who never tasted defeat until this night, which gave him all the confidence in the world that he could upset Floyd. After a good effort, Hatton was Kod suffering his first defeat.

    Pacquiao vs Hatton. Hatton suffered from his first lost, but was still considered a force to be reckon with. Considering both styles of both men , this fight had the making of a all out brawl for the ages. Pac second round KO of the Brit was none other then impressive. This one has to go to Manny.

    Mayweather vs De la hoya. Mayweather first fight at 154lbs to knock the king off the mountain. As it was stated, from the gloves to the size of the ring were all on Oscar terms to gain the advantage in this fight. In the end Floyd proved to be better then any advantage Oscar had. Knocking him off the mountain to gain the top spot.

    Pacquiao vs De la hoya. Once again this fight would of been impressive if the terms were not so one sided in favor of one fighter. I would have loved for Pac to have done this to Oscar with Oscar being at a more comfortable weight, instead of not only looking smaller then Pac in body mass, but just being drained all toghether to the point that he shouldn't of been in the ring.
    This has to go to Floyd

    Pacquiao vs Marquez. Four fights between these two and all four were competitive. We all know how the last one ended so I'll move along.

    Mayweather vs Marquez. Mayweather coming off a two year retirement, fighting a guy who jumped two weight classes to fight him. Which is a bit extreme in my book, but it was stated that Marquez wanted this fight. He was considered the P4P#2 on the list. The layoff that Floyd had and the status of where Marquez was on the P4P list, is what makes up for the two weight classes that he jumped in my opinion. Pac couldn't do what Floyd did to Marquez in four fights and Pac was active. This one with out a doubt goes to Floyd.
    4 out of 5 goes to Floyd.
     
  9. StreetsofRAGE

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    Don't even need to read your bull**** explanation. He's easily top 10 right now and his career isn't over yet.
     
  10. Staminakills

    Staminakills Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    man, you wasted some time putting together a long ass hate troll thread.

    why when dumbasses get booted off other site do we always end up with the garbage.

    thanks man i just lost soo much boxing knowledge reading your dribbbe;//

    great,
    another useless hater of the sport.. Please retire from posting hate threads.

    one quick question obviously you think floyd is just some hype job YET you agree he is p4p #1
    umm so you think we have nothing but bums in 2014.. if that was true you're a phukin moron for pretending to be a boxing fan..

    i think one of your best points was floyds def isn't very good, then you claim rjj as one of the best defenses ever....

    what did he even use for a defense, from memory he pretty much used only his reflexes. and if he D was all time one of the very best, how the phuk you explain all the ko's ? did he somehow forget how to defend himself or had is reflexes slowed ..

    i love asking haters simple questions that i know you cant answer because you are totally FOS an sound like a meatball... that was a lot of time spent, please go back to arguing with kids on yutube
     
  11. I Know Everythi

    I Know Everythi Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Give me some of what you are smoking
     
  12. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    You won't like it.

    It doesn't get you nearly as ******ed as whatever you smoked before you made this worthless thread.
     
  13. Staminakills

    Staminakills Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    exactly
     
  14. Lady Girl

    Lady Girl Kneel Before Zod! Full Member

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  15. I Know Everythi

    I Know Everythi Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I was correct. i knew that after opening the eyes of blind sheep that follow the herd (behind the farce that Mayweather is a top 35 p4p fighter), that they would begin to vehemently deny the truth after being exposed to it.
     
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