Froch Groves 2 Predictions

Solarse · Feb 14, 2014

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The great thing about this rematch and why it had to happen is that there are soooo many unanswered questions and it's really not easy to predict

Before the first fight pretty much everyone knew that Froch was elite level world champ and Groves barely belonged in a ring with him and was going to get sparked out within the distance - most of us were laughing at his brash predictions and agreeing with Froch that it was a nonesense to think he could even hold his own in there.

The the first round happened and POW - the mighty Froch is laid out on his back with his eyes rolling back in his head and pretty amazingly even managed to make it out the first round. It wasn't just the knock down either - before that happened Groves was winning every exchange, sharper and crisper and winning the battle of the jab. He had better footmovement and was controlling the range and countering everything to perfection.

The knock down was heavy too - it was a knock out worthy blow (combo) and Froch did well to battle on.

8 rounds later and it's pretty much been more of the same - Groves winning every exchange and hurting Froch regularly without managing to score a knock down he clearly won every round.

Now some how at the time of the stoppage Froch was only a round behind on two cards - to me it was clear that he'd lost every round by a distance with the first being a 10-8 so should have been 8-9 rounds down at the time.

So what that fight showed is that Groves is the far slicker, shaper and faster boxing - more skilled and has the power to hurt Froch.

If you take that on face value its easy to just say he's too damn good for Froch and he will walk through him in a rematch and either finally stop him this time or win a very wide points victory.

But these are where the questions arise and why its not as simple as that - Froch did take everything thrown at him and even though it was clearly a poor stoppage he did hurt Groves (who said himself he was "buzzed") so was at least coming back into the fight

We'll never know if he would have gone on to win that fight - but its somewhat impressive that he was even in it still after all the punishment he took, let alone potentially changing the tide.

It's also possible that the ref did an injustice to Froch with the early stoppage - if Froch could have followed up his good work in that road with a few more heavy shots he may well have forced a legit stoppage of his own.

So the exciting thing about the rematch is whether or not the domination Groves put on him was down to his skill set just being too much for Froch or Froch perhaps not being mentally at his best for the fight - maybe he took it too lightly, maybe he thought the kid weren't on his level and it would be an easy nights work.

Maybe the knock down shaped the fight - maybe had Froch avoided that early doors it would have been more even?

We don't know if things will pan out the same - we don't know if Froch or indeed Groves will fight differently.

We don't know if Froch will fight better because he wil be more mentally up for the fight - we don't know if Groves will go for the stoppage harder (and either get it or maybe even get caught sooner) or if he will back peddle and box clever more and conserve his energy for the later rounds (and how this would effect the fight)

We don't know if Froch will eventually get to Groves even if things do play out in a similar fashion on the night.

It's just so difficult to call

One thing we know is BOTH fighters will be more focused on this fight and more up for it than any other of their career

My personally prediction is that Froch is maybe past his best and Groves simply has his number - I think he's too skilled, too fast and has the power to hurt Froch and I think he will win the rematch, that's what I am expecting anyway and I actually think he will become the first man to stop Froch

However there's a reason Froch is still the bookies favourite and it would be foolish to write him off because of how Groves seemed to dominate the first half of the first fight - Froch will be dangerous for every min of every round the fight is on and capable of stopping Groves is Groves gives him the opportunity.

I can't wait - I hoped when I first heard the options for the fight that it would be at Twickenham as the stadium is walking distance to me but when I checked the dates I realised I will be in Vegas then anyway (hopefully a bar will televise it)

My money is on Groves becoming the new champ - but let's be real guys, no one knows what will happen because there are so many factors and that is what makes it such a big and intriging match up
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Good post mate, beats all the morons saying its 100% this way or 100% that way

TERRYTIBBS · Feb 14, 2014

Groves on Points

Will · Feb 14, 2014

lirva said: ↑

You are embarrassing yourself mate

look at the slow mo i directed you to above.

clean right hand to the chin at 00.28 (1) which makes groves sag back to the ropes a bit.

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groves puts his hands up but is open and gets caught with a right hand straight through the open guard at 00.34 (2). watch the video and see the impact on groves head. the punch lands on his face obviously.

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left hand lands at 00.39 and sends groves head spinning in the air (3). watch the video again to see groves head spinning.

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followed by a final right hand at 00.42 (4) which I have provided from 2 different angles.

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Its pretty sad that i had to point this out to you with pictures when you could have watched the video. Goes to show how biased/blind some can be that they can claim that actual punches that landed didn't land but such is the nature of boxing forums I guess. You are arguing with biased people who will overlook facts. The worst kind of poster is Will, a poster who masquerades as an unbiased poster but is as biased as ****.
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Whilst I repect and appreciate the effort, 2 of those at best are clean.

Will · Feb 14, 2014

rainmaker said: ↑

You don't need to land 100% clean to hurt someone. Tyson used to knock people down with cuffing shots. If a fighter is throwing with enough force and 60-80% of the glove hits the target area, you are likely going to hurt your opponent, if you hit him on the chin, or temple. Groves was getting hit, clean or not, he was getting caught and wobbled.
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I don't disagree with you.

At no point did I say that Gorves wasn't hurt.

All I said is he wasn't being consistantly hit clean like many are making out.

He was in trouble but did not look to me like he was about to be stopped.

Just my opinion.

To the like of lirva it is worth less than his but there you go it my opinion,

'el nino' · Feb 14, 2014

Groves is way too fast for Froch

TKO 7 Groves

'el nino' · Feb 14, 2014

I think inexperience played a part in the first fight. Groves was a bit too gun ho. He puts carl away this time not messing

'el nino' · Feb 14, 2014

lirva said: ↑

Its fairly widely accepted that Groves would have been stopped if the fight had of went on. That is why Froch is now a big favourite at the bookies. Groves was almost out on his feet. Couple that with Froch having a horrid start and having to take clean right hands very often, and having the chin to take them.

Best case scenario for Groves is he comes out and lands big bombs on Froch for the first 6 rounds and wins all the rounds and possibly KOs Froch.

But isn't that what happened in the first fight? Froch still came on and was coming on strong.

We should have learned by now that we can't underestimate the heart, chin and will of Froch.

Groves will need to fight a very cagey fight and come looking for a points victory to win. He has the skills to pull this off but I'm not sure he will do it. Even if he comes in fighting entirely like he did vs Degale, I'm not convinced Froch can't find a way to get it done.

Its intriguing because they both can beat each other. I just think Froch has to get the vote because of his proven granite chin, heart, stamina and toughness. He's just tougher than George.
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Thanks for speaking for the majority you **** gibbon

Will · Feb 14, 2014

lol

RoughD · Feb 14, 2014

Froch will hit the canvas multiple times

Westy78 · Feb 14, 2014

RoughD said: ↑

Froch will hit the canvas multiple times
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In your dreams

why does the froch hate, cloud peoples judgement

Two Shakes · Feb 14, 2014

Westy78 said: ↑

In your dreams

why does the froch hate, cloud peoples judgement
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No judgement involved, he's just praying his dream comes true.
Deep down he knows Frochs will take the rematch more seriously, and will do the business this time.

"TKO" · Feb 14, 2014

50/50 fight for me. On one hand Groves had his best chance to beat Froch last time out with Froch possibly overconfident and landing the punch of his life in the first round which quite possibly had Froch concussed for most of the fight. On the other hand Froch will be nearly 37 by the time they get it on and has had another two hard fights last year.

Maybe favour Froch slightly on the grounds that I don't think Groves can do 12 hard rounds with him. Groves needs to either try and take him out early (leaving himself open to gassing if he can't) or otherwise try and make it a DeGale style game of cat and mouse. The problem is that Froch is a lot more potent as an aggressor than DeGale is.

Having said that at an opening 2-1 Groves is probably the value bet.

sid · Feb 14, 2014

spurs ben316 said: ↑

People go on about Froch took Groves best shots but came on strong. And that will have a big effect on George but Groves didnt get dropped in 9 rounds. Yet he dropped Froch in round 1 and he knows and Froch knows he can do that anytime in the fight.

Find the odds a bit puzzling

can see the fight like this.

Groves has the ability to win on points if he is smart. Dont think Froch can

Groves can land the ko punch. Froch cant his best bet is the jumping in and smoothering Groves and unloading.

Still stick to the 6 round Groves by tko or ko. Can even see Froch getting pulled out for his own good. See a changing of the guard.
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Good post this

(Groves can land the ko punch. Froch cant his best bet is the jumping in and smoothering Groves and unloading.)

I can see Froch trying this in the second fight,jumping in & trying to unload.He did this with Lucian Bute,v Groves I don't think this would work.It's a hard fight but I can not see Froch winning.

sid · Feb 14, 2014

Froch getting £4 million is a very good payday for him to call it quits in boxing.

lirva · Feb 15, 2014

Will said: ↑

Whilst I repect and appreciate the effort, 2 of those at best are clean.
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which ones are clean and which ones are not?

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