Could Chuvalo Do As Well V Jeffries As Sharkey

I'll post the ringside report later.

 

You want evidence how's this? Ringside report.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=n_8aAAAAIBAJ&sjid=m0gEAAAAIBAJ&pg=1386,1951337&hl=en

George Siler the famous referee was ringside this is his account. Note especially the phrases " terrible mauling", "face beaten to a pulp"," badly battered and bruised victor" , " nose spread all over his face,right eye cut and swollen,left eye almost closed, left cheek badly swollen ".

"It was only his weight, strength .and stamina,and taking punishment that won it for him."" Fitz hit him hard enough and often enough had he been 30lbs heavier he would have won".

" Fitzsimmons hit him where and when he pleased"

Fitz finished the fight unmarked.
Still think that a couple of punches caused all the damage to Jeffries?


Jeffries was 27 years old, bang in his prime, he would fight a further 12 rds over 2 fights then retire.

Anyone who wants to suggest he suddenly and drastically improved after the Fitz fight usually cites the second Corbett fight for evidence of it.
This conveniently fails to point out that Corbett was washed up and fought a stationary fight because his legs were gone.Who is going to win , a light punching boxer who has lost his mobility ,is giving away 30lbs, is nearly 37 and hasnt fought in 3 years? Or a 28 year old champion who is in his prime?

Below small snippet from the NY Times.

"RING SIDE, San Francisco, July 25. -- After fighting a battle of eight rounds that was fraught with brilliant and courageous work Robert Fitzsimmons to-night forfeited his last claim upon the heavyweight championship. He was knocked to the floor by James J. Jeffries and counted out after he had so badly punished the champion that it was a foregone conclusion among the spectators that the Cornishman must win. "



Another account below.




"Robert Fitzsimmons has forfeited his last claim upon the heavyweight championship of the world. He stood off James J. Jeffries for eight rounds, and before receiving his quietus had astonished the thousands of spectators by his brilliant work. As early as the second round Fitzsimmons had Jeffries bleeding profusely from mouth and nose. Again and again he landed on his bulky opponent, getting away in such a clever manner that he roused the big crowd to enthusiastic cheering. It seemed indeed that Jeffries could scarcely stand the pace. But the 8th round came and after a series of hot exchanges Fitzsimmons paused with his guard down and spoke to the champion. The latter's reply was two terrific blows that saved him the championship." -The Mansfield News

• Due to the manner in which the bout ended, claims of a fix spread throughout the fans and press but both fighters called the claim "absurd".

Post fight comments

• "The fight was won fairly and to the best man belongs the laurels." -Bob Fitzsimmons

• "You're the most dangerous man alive." -James Jeffries to Bob Fitzsimmons

• "If a non-spectator had seen Jeffries and Fitzsimmons two minutes after the fight Fitz would have been picked the winner. There was not a mark on him, while Jeffries face was bloody and beaten to a pulp. Only Jeffries' stamina and capacity for punishment saved him." -George Siler, noted referee and writer

Jeffries won the championship in 1899 from the extraordinary Bob Fitzsimmons at Coney Island, New York. Fighting out of a crouch, Jeffries bulled his way inside the champion’s guard and battered his ribs, forcing a stoppage in the eleventh round. It took a few years for the rematch to happen, this time in San Francisco. While some took note of the 39-year-old Cornishman’s advancing years and figured the younger, stronger and much heavier champion would likely prevail, others eyed Fitzsimmon’s thirst for revenge. Rumor had it the challenger was so determined to prevail, he planned to load his gloves with Plaster of Paris.
“Let him do it,” said Jeffries. “I’ll flatten him anyway.”
Jeffries had reason to be confident. The much bigger man, he outweighed Fitzsimmons by more than forty pounds. Despite this, Fitzsimmons took the fight to the champion in the early rounds and inflicted a vicious battering. As early as the second, Jeffries was bleeding from the challenger’s sharp punches which soon broke Jeffries' nose and opened deep cuts around both eyes. But Jeffries was nothing if not tough, and he waited patiently for his opportunity to strike back.
It came in the eighth round. After several blistering exchanges, Fitzsimmons inexplicably paused, lowered his guard, and spoke to Jeffries, taunting him. The champion’s response was a hard right to the belly followed by a thunderous left hook that put Fitzsimmons on the floor and ended the fight. When the challenger later approached the champion to congratulate him, Jeffries regarded Fitzsimmons through swollen, bleeding eyes and said, “You’re the most dangerous man alive.” Anyone looking at the combatants’ faces would have been astonished to learn the unmarked fighter was the loser, while the man sporting a visage marred by lumps and bloody gashes had proven victorious.
The manner of the bout’s sudden conclusion struck some in the assembled crowd as suspicious. Rumors of a “fix” began to circulate in the days following, though both boxers dismissed such speculation as absurd. “The fight was won fairly and to the best man belongs the laurels,” declared Fitzsimmons.

Newspaper Article:
New York Times - July 26, 1902



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My conclusion , youth, weight ,strength, and durability won the fight for the 27 years old champion leaving the 39 years old challenger the loser.

Anyone want to argue?

 

All papers agreed that Fitz had no trouble landing on Jeffries, and Siler stated," he hit him when and where he pleased.
"This absolutely bears out my statement that," Fitz couldn't miss him." Fitz smashed both his hands in the fight .

I could post more ringside accounts but I trust I don't need to.

Fitz was nearly 40 years old and had not fought in 2 years.

Nat Fleischer gives Fitz's weight as 172lbs and Jeffries as 219lbs, that's a 47lbs difference, to go with the 12 years age discrepancy.
Just prior to the fight the weights were announced as Fitz 160lbs,Jeffries215lbs, a 55lbs weight discrepancy.Whatever the truth it was a big differential

The conclusion was that Jeffries won because of his overwhelming advantages in age, size, weight, strength ,and his undoubted durability.

If Fitzsimmmons had been 30lbs heavier, reports said he would have won.

When Fitz's hands went on him he dropped them and spoke to Jeffries, some reporters said his words were "hit me Jeff and get it over".Others said the noise was so tremendous no one could hear what Fitz said.
After the fight Fitz told reporters."I fought the best I could and the best man won.After receiving that heavy body blow in the 8th round I knew I was gone.I asked Jeff to keep away , but he was intent on finishing me and I hadn't the power to stop him".
Fitzsimmons showed his damaged hands to the reporters after the fight.saying"look at my hands .The knuckles of both are pushed right back and broken ,smashed on his chin.He is as strong as an ox."
I have had trouble with my hands in all my contests, but I have done them in now ,trying to knock Jeffries out."

Jeffries must have truly had a chin like cement.

Purses. Jeffries got $14,346, Fitz $9,564

 

They also point to Jeffries being made of iron.
Credit where credit is due ,Fitz landed punches on him that had half killed Ruhlin ,but Jeffries shrugged them off.And when he got home to the body the lighter man was badly shaken. The second Corbett fight was not the onesided blow- out it has been portrayed, though there was always only going to be one winner Corbett did win a couple of rounds he just did not have the firepower or the fleetness of foot to prevail .Jeffries is described as being fast in this fight ,he fought an agressive fight and Corbett's lack of sustained footwork aided him in getting into range, and slowing down the veteran even more.
Corbett had no trouble in landing on the champion but his punches are described as weak and without power.
Jeffries actually sarcastically laughed at them a couple of times.I think Corbett just took this fight for the $$$$, he must have known the result was a foregone conclusion.

The ex champion had not fought for three years and that, against Kid McCoy is accepted to be a fake, he was a month from 37 years old,there was zero prospect of him emulating his great effort in their first fight.
The Munroe bout was a farce it proved nothing.
A year after the debacle with Jeffries ,Munroe fought Jack Johnson he had engaged in 3 fights between times.Johnson floored him and then contented himself with making a fool out of the miner,wthout trying to finish him. Reporters stated that in the three years of his ring career Munroe had not learned the rudiments of the game, and that he did not even punch correctly.

 

I know you can't read properly so I'll repeat that I've already said I think Sharkey was a bigger puncher than CHUVALO .

What ranked contender did Chuvalo put away? Two JERRY QUARRY& DOUG JONES

I've already picked Jeffries to beat CHUVALO

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