Here is a link for nearly 20 minutes of the fight. There is more footage out there. As I said before, this is a competitive fight. You can see Johnson hit on the break in round 10, and hit and hold often. Moran's corner claimed foul, but the referee let the action go on without penalty. Moran who wasn't the best of the " white hopes " ( Willard, Smith, McCarty better for sure ) wasn't paid for his efforts in this fight. [url]http://foozonlinegames.com/view.php?vid=LSFnFS1snmk&title=Jack_Johnson_vs_Frank_Moran#.UwKqt_ldU30[/url]
McCarty, whom Johnson offered to defend his title against had been dead a year when Moran challenged Johnson. Johnson was 36 years old and scaled 221lbs for the Moran fight, he is carrying a spare tyre around his hips and surplus elsewhere about his torso. He was never in any trouble against Moran and when Moran landed one of his rare clean punches Johnson stood back and clapped him, its on the film. Moran was guilty of dangerous headwork ,rabbit punching, and back handing . Both men hit in the clinches and on the breaks . Johnson was the clear winner. The purses for the fight were $36,000 paid into a French bank, McKetrick, Moran's sometime manager ,[they had no signed contract] claimed Moran owed him for training expenses, which he demanded before paying Moran his share. It was further complicated because McKetrick had employed a front man in Theodore Vienne. Neither Moran or Johnson got their purse money. Moran caught up with McKetrick at the races the day after the fight after threatening him, McKetrick handed over 200 francs. This was also the day that Arch Duke Francis Ferdinand was assassinated in Sarajevo ,and the wheels to drive WW1 were engaged. You haven't seen the complete version of the fight because it does not exist. Like the Louis Godoy1 ,and Louis Walcott1 fights.You've formed an opinion of the fight without seeing it in its entirety. Hardly logical but then that was never your strong suit was it? ps Link does not work, but it doesn't matter I have it on Super 8mm and have seen it hundreds of times.
Typical for you to attempt to change the subject at the end. It’s a pity or in your case convenient the link doesn't work for you. I'm sure the others will be able to view it and comment on it. This is a close fight, and like I said before, there is more footage than 20 minutes on the action. Aside from Johnson hitting on the breaks, and hitting and holding, he also pinched Moran's biceps with his gloves. Hardly sporting of him.
Where does this extended version youve seen reside? Why do you keep lying about these films? How far can one guy "stretch" his credibility.
Johnson did nothing in this fight that was not duplicated by Moran. Did you notice how small Carpentier the referee is compared to Johnson? Two weeks after this the 20 years old Carpentier beat GunBoat Smith for the White heavyweight title, flooring him along the way.
Says the man who denies Langford vs Hauge exists! There is 20 minutes on this link, which I believe is more than you initially claimed for Johnson vs Moran. I get the feeling sometimes you want to deny certain filmed fights exist for your own reasons. I sent you a PM on rare fights but you never replied.
HAGUE. CHUVALO. atsch I would imagine Klompton is as anxious to discover hitherto unknown footage as anyone , and probably more than most.
I don't care how I spell his last name. You make your share of spelling mistakes too. I just do not bother to point them out for the most part. Your numerous errors on the facts to me is more important.
As I always tell you, point out my errors.Ive asked you to do so on the Chuvalo thread, but as usual you haven't responded.I wonder why? Meanwhile you have two posters calling you a LIAR.
I think credibility needs to be in quotes 2 when we're talking about Mendoza and him saying anything about Johnson.
You can pretend all you want. I know exactly how long the longest version of Johnson-Moran is down to the foot. It is exactly 1209 feet long. Projected at 16 frames per minute (which is actually a hair fast) it runs just over 20 minutes. Of that 20 minutes a portion is pre fight footage. So we actually have less than 1/3 of the actual fight footage and a little less than 1/5 of the total film. There is no longer version extent. You can pretend there is but this version I have described above is the version from which all others derive. It is what was originally housed in Britain, where it was discovered, and it was what was acquired by Jim Jacobs. If you want to pretend that more footage exists then show us your proof. Just like this bull**** you keep spouting about having seen Langford-Hague, or more footage of Burns-Johnson. You havent. Period. I would love for there to be footage of Langford-Hague but there isnt. PMing me that Ted Spoon of all people has footage of Langford-Hague means absolutely nothing to me. If you or Ted Spoon want to prove me wrong Ive always been willing to pay top dollar to anyone who could prove it by just posting stills much less a short 10 second clip. Wont happen. I do this full time, literally, and some twat who cant get his facts straight and lies on a regular basis is not going to convince me that he has some secret access to films that NOBODY who has been doing this for DECADES has ever even heard of. Prove me wrong. Id be happy to see you do it and pay good money for the defeat but you wont and neither will Ted Spoon. Ive made the same offer to the jokers who pretend they own or have seen Quarry-Mathis. They cant. Based on what I know about films and what I know about your willingness to lie and twist facts excuse me if I dont get overly excited about the supposed rare films you have or have seen. If you want to make some real money and rehabilitate your image prove me wrong.