I noticed something about the fighters on my P4P list - none of them drink alcohol.

I don't know, man. JMM a G, but then again, it probably wasn't the urine..

 

BTW, what the **** are Lara and Provodnikov doing on a pound for pound list?

 

Get shut of those 2, who aren't even top 20, get rid of Wlad too, as he basically never fights people his own size and the ones he does suck- not really pound for pound.

Add in Roman Gonzalez, Sergio Martinez and Carl Froch. Then the personnel are OK, the order is just dodgy (Danny Garcia would probably be bottom).

 

Juan Francisco Estrada recently- who is far better than anyone Provodnikov and Lara have ever beat.

Martinez and Froch may have not looked great in their last fights but over the last 3 years they have proved they belong. Froch in my opinion was on his way to stopping Groves legitimately (no way Groves survives 3.5 more rounds of that) and passing gut checks are also worthy considerations for who deserves pound for pound spots- such as Martinez did in the final round against Jr.

If you base things on one performance, Lara also struggled with Vanes and Angulo and most scored the fight with Molina, for Molina. Provodnikov also lost a close fight to Maurico Herrera a couple of fights ago, who isn't really all that.

 

OK, who has Provodnikov beat Jas?

Maybe Brandon Rios is also worthy of consideration having beaten Mike Alvarado.

And I think it was pretty clear he had so much joy against Bradley- in a fight he lost- because Bradley fought like a spaz.

 

1-8 are the right guys... but in my opinion:

-Bradley can't realistically be any lower than 3rd, really.

-Garcia and Pacquiao ahead of Wladimir isn't right.

-Pacquiao ahead of Marquez is just odd. The loss to Bradley and the win over Rios isn't enough to separate the clear edge established after Pac/JMM IV, after the already narrowing of the gap in Pac/JMM III.

-Lara is about 10 slots down from appearing on this list while Provodnikov, well, I could name 30 better P4P fighters than Provodnikov and that's a compliment to him... The 9 other fighters listed here, Sergio, Golovkin, Froch, Adonis, Kovalev, Matthysse, Maidana, Donaire, JF Estrada, Uchiyama, Ioka, Yaegashi, Miura, Segura, R. Gonzalez, J. Gonzalez, Mares, Moreno, M. Vazquez, M. Garcia, Alvarez, C. Molina... etc.

 

Klitschkos do not drink................

 

Drinking is obviously not good for a fighter. Lara is one of my favorite fighters but I'm surprised to see him in a top ten p4p. I think I had him about 13th last time I made one. I completely disagree with Provodnikov. He didn't make my top 20, and I'm not sure he'd make it if I expanded to top 30.

But Pacquiao goes entirely against what you're saying. He was better when he was drinking and smoking. (Although, in my opinion, that's coincidental.)

 

-Roman Gonzalez beat Yutaka Niida, who was the top 105 in the world. An underrated victory. One potentially more relevant and impressive on it's own than Provodnikov's whole 30-some fight career wrapped up together. Edit: Plus Takayama and Estrada... Other than that, just a whole lot of activity over journeyman. You claiming that as negative shows further hypocrisy when Provodnikov's whole career is activity over journeyman + Alvarado + close tough losses to Bradley and Herrera and you cite that as significantly better than Provodnikov? Haha, okay.

-I scored the fight for Murray by 1 point, but that isn't enough to drop off Sergio, who has been in the top 5 for a good several years now, down out of the list. That would be a hypocrite move while still including fighters recently off of defeats or close narrow victories. One fight doesn't make a resume or determine a fighter.

-How can you hold ONE of Froch's fights, a stoppage victory, against him and claim he is not top 10 P4P over Provodnikov yet you rate Pacquiao, who has lost 2 of his last 4 if you go by official decisions OR public consensus, one being a savage KO after fighting like a complete novice amateur that made Froch's fight vs. Groves look smart, not just in your top 10 but at #4? Froch's resume is legit. You could say it is overrated or underrated. But either way it is very good.