For those who think Froch will win...

I said from day one that Frochs jab was winning him the first round, and it was clearly obvious from the damage to Groves right eye, that the jab had been finding the target on a regular basis, but as per usual on here, if somebody doesn't like a fighter they refuse to acknowledge any success. When Froch shut out Abraham it was all set up by the jab, not only does it score points and work as a rangefinder, its also Frochs best defensive tool.
I also agree that at some point during the rematch Groves will land and possibly hurt Froch, but Froch needs to do what he did at the start of the first fight. Keep pawing with the jab and trying to counter groves with short rights when he opens up. Frochs problem was that as soon as he landed a couple of right hands in the first round, he thought he'd just Bute Groves, which is when he started to throw them horrible right hands from the hip, and promptly walked straight onto a peach of a right hand.
Anybody with even half a boxing brain knows that fighters like Groves will always cause Froch problems. He doesn't like movement or speed, but as limited as Froch is technically, he has a granite chin and granite resolve, he believes that at some point in the fight he will start to grind you down.
Ward had the blueprint, Groves doesn't.

Imo, unless Froch has aged overnight, i see the fight being similar to the first, with Froch stopping a tiring Groves.
Froch will be wary of Groves power, and Groves will be wary of wilting down the stretch, so it'll be interesting to see how they both address these issues.

 

Your assuming the damage on gg right eye was from successful jabs. Frochs jab was **** man he was telegraphed and weak. The damage was from the scuff shots in close. George beat froch to the jab 90% of the time

 

Which fight were you watching, Groves clearly won the battle of the jabs :deal

 

dealdeal

 

Take your goggles off, and go and rewatch the first round, then tell me how many punches Groves landed prior to the knockdown.
Groves looked like he was swimming when he threw some of them flurries, nearly everything he threw in the first two minutes fell short, he never woke up till Froch cracked him with a right hand just before the two minute mark.
Groves won the first round because he scored the knockdown, up until then he'd landed next to nothing.

 

Froch had his left glove in Groves face for most of the first round. He caught Groves with a right hand 2 minutes in, got ****y and careless and in an exchange about 20 seconds later walked straight onto a right hand whilst trying to throw his own shot. He dropped onto his arse, put his gloves on the canvas and lifted himself up after about one second, stumbled back slightly into the ropes,pushed his shorts/guard down, then looked straight into the refs eyes and told him he was ok.
Thats exactly what happened in the first round up until the knockdown.

 

You can argue with opinion, but you can't argue with facts

 

He came forward wildly and got dropped after getting that jab countered and getting shaken up by several of Groves right hands. It's a different story coming forward when you're fresh. And no offense, but as I said before the Froch jab was worse than useless against Groves, it was counter-fodder against Groves just as it was against Ward. If he tries to engage in that type of contest with Groves the entire fight he will lose for certain.

In my view, Froch's best approach, and one he could actually do(even though he hasn't done it before, it's fairly basic), would be just to bore forward behind a high guard, try to get close to Groves, and exchange from there, focusing on the body more early then switching to head shots later. He will probably lose the early rounds in any case, but this will allow him to slow Groves down, as Groves will not only be taking body shots but be forced to work to try to keep Carl off of him. Most of the power of Groves will be blunted by the high guard and Froch not allowing him to get full extension on his shots. As mentioned before, Froch won't get full power on his shots either, but he's more likely to last in those types of exchanges than Groves.

Despite all that, the fight is still basically a toss-up, and who knows what the last fight took out of Froch in terms of his resistance and confidence. Could be he's the same as ever, could be he's slipped. We'll see come fight night.

 

In fairness my old man was a bookie for a massive firm and he had certain groups he wasn't supposed to take bets from.

His office was in soho though and they took a lot of big bets so he could lay many of the wagers without much suspicion and would get a good drink off them if it came in.

 

Groves absolutely DESTROYS Froch in the rematch!

There is absolutely nothing Froch can do any differently come May 31st as Groves told him exactly what he would do to him in the first round ie take the centre of the ring & hit him with 2 right hands & IIRC Froch said,"thanks I know what to do now,just get my right hand up,cheers" & we all saw what happened next!

Froch is too slow & too set in his ways to do anything differently in the rematch & Groves won't make the mistake of slugging it out with him which cost him the first fight as slugging it out on the ropes with Froch is NEVER a good idea,no matter who you are!

I can't stand Froch but there's NO other super middleweight on the planet who could've got up from that right hand & continue to get the win so credit where credits due there.The idiot referee ruined the fight for BOTH fighters by stopping it early & robbed Froch of one of the great come from behind victories without the controversy.I personally think Froch didn't have much left after those last flurries which led to the stoppage & we'll never know if Groves would've weathered the storm as we never got the chance to find out!

IMHO I think Groves will win on points or by late TKO with Froch having taken an enormous amount of punishment & Rob McCracken pulling him out as Froch would NEVER quit.Roll on May 31st & may the best man win (without the controversy this time!)

 

Hold on a minute spastic

1st rounds are a feel out round

Neither fighter landed much up until the KD. There was lots of feints and distance checking

Cracked groves with a right hand? I didn't see grove flinch one bit

Get a clue

 

I hope Groves watches the fight with Froch on video and studies it a lot. If he can learn from that fight, get the proper sparring, then he very well might beat Froch in the rematch..............

 

Answered your own question, i hear specsavers are still doing two 4 one. :good

Now do as your told and go back to round 1, just before the two minute mark.

 

In comparison to froch stumbling like a drink then no groves is fresh as a daisy