Most overrated HW of all time.

Liston by far!

 

liston, but my mate southpaw and myself will make the job to change this madness

 

we could argue forever, holyfield and lewis were past their pimes as well, and they were older than tyson, no excuse here, tyson in his prime looked a machine because he never was tested against a prime great fighter, so it is pure speculation,i am pretty sure that if frazier had retired after he did beat ali in 1971, today all we would say that he would have destroyed foreman and anyone,but frazier lost, and tyson probably would have lost too. all we know is that when he faced evander and lewis he lost badly, it was not close, and buster douglas knocked him out at age of 24. tyson destroyed holmes because stylistically i think that tyson always would beat larry, BUT HE NEVER DID, SO HE DID NOT HAVE GREAT MERIT DESTROYING A SHOT HOLMES, anyway, 92 holmes was better than 88 holmes, he was older but he was better trained and more motivated mentally, he was more active too, in 1988 he did nothing since 1986.

 

I don't think that any of the dominant heavyweight champions are over rated to be honest. They all have their proponents and their detractors. Some of them get under rated, because history obscures their acomplishments, but their suporters generaly have a point.

The type of fighterrs that tend to get over rated, are the "nearly weres" or "never weres", because these are fighters where there is more room for interpreatation. People can latch on to an atribute or talent that they had, and make predictions about what they migth have done in another era, which are out of all proportion to what they did in their own era.

 

He was exemplary in both fights. He broke Moorer's jaw and was devastating him with right hands to the body.

Unfortunately, for the Moorer bout, he fired Willie Van Der Wort his longtime mustache groomer. As his mustache form was not at its finest, he faltered in the later rounds. Afterwards, in an ill-advised attempt to regain his former powers, he moved to the bleached goatee and began a slide into Bolivian.

 

If we're talking about over-rated HW champions as of late, the Klitschkos and Lennox Lewis definitely come to mind.

 

Tyson was saved by McNeeley's corner.

 

The term 'overrated' could be levelled at a fair number of heavyweights really. It's a matter of perspective.

Forced to choose one, I'd say Joe Frazier. Clearly a very, very good heavyweight, but one whose reputation got a massive boost after beating Ali and again after Manilla. I'm not so sure he does that well in some other eras, particularly in the 80's (Holmes, Tyson) and 90's. (Tyson, Holyfield, Lewis, Bowe.)

 

Why would you even try such a thing?

 

The most overrated HW of all time is Ali. Jones beat him and got robbed. The first Cooper fight is suspect, as are both Liston fights. Jimmy young gave him a thorough boxing lesson in one of the worst decisions ever rendered. Norton, quite mediocre, broke his jaw and surprisingly received the well-earned decision, but was robbed in the other two fights, as was Fraiser in the second one. An armateur, Spinks, beat him in the first fight, and almost in the second. The Shavers fight could have been called a draw. A sub-par fighter, Evangalista, man-handled him at times, while going the distance. The maxim, is indeed true: History is the Mississippi of lies. If not for the afore mentioned robberies and sycophantic reporting, the silly Ali myth would never have materialized.

 

Interesting post. It's almost as if Ali was the only fighter in history to have been given a lucky decision. I'll remind you of one or two things -


The Jones fight was a learning curve. No more a robbery than Frazier-Bonavena I,Foreman-Peralta I and Tyson-Tillis.

Liston was thoroughly outboxed and outfought in their first fight. If Sonny had n't have quit at the end of the sixth,Ali would have stopped him at some point anyway.

The second Norton fight was extremely close but Ali pulled it out in the last round. Yes,Muhammad was lucky in getting the decision in the Young and Norton III bouts. This was post Manilla and as we know Ali was never quite the same after that one.

The second Frazier fight was pretty close but not as much as Norton II was. Most agree that Ali deserved the verdict in that one.

By the time the Evangelista,Shavers and Spinks battles came round,the champion had declined big time ! How on Earth can you claim that Spinks nearly won in the second fight,though ? :huh It is consensual that Ali won by at least ten rounds.


Finally,think about the George Foreman fight. How many others could have done that sort of job on Big George at that point

 

Barring legacy, when it comes to "head to head" fantasy match ups, I think Vitali Klitschko is probably the king of overrated. He'd definitely give some all time greats who I can think of some trouble, but I've seen him picked to beat names that he should not even mentioned in the same sentence with.

 

Ali is the most overrated HW of all time, and whats more that whole generation are vastly overrated.

 

Both Klitschkos are extremely overrated since they have been placed among the top 10 p4p for the past few years in several p4p lists. To claim that they are underrated is fallacious and a terrible farce. Simply copy pasting statistics such as the Klitschkos W-L record or KO ratios and numerically comparing them to other great heavyweights simply demonstrates an inability to use logical thinking and an inability to put these misleading statistics into context. After the Holyfield Bowe Tyson Lewis era was finished, the post early 2000s heavyweight division became the weakest division in the history of any weight class of any era since perhaps the beginning of boxing as a sport.

All of the wins in both Klitschkos resumes come against fighters years and years beyond their prime, with padded records, with no name fighters who should not be in a boxing ring to begin with, or some combination of these flaws.

The biggest and most impressive win on both Klitschko's resume is Samuel Peter - who still managed to knock down the bum Wladimir 3 times in one fight. Samuel Peter as your best win does not make you an all time great or a top 10 p4p fighter for several years. In a weak era where Samuel Peter was the best fighter you beat (and one that Wladimir struggled with), it doesn't matter how many title defenses, knockouts, wins, etc. you have. You are not among the elite.

Lennox Lewis - even at 38 years old, fat, in the worst shape of his career, was barely losing on the scorecard 58-56 to Vitali - which could easily have been scored a draw at that point (yet so many idiotic fans try to use this slim edge as validation that Klitschko "won" the fight) and still managed to take complete control of the fight heading into the 6th round and smashed Vitali's face so badly that a medical professional could not allow Vitali to get further annihilated and, in hindsight, Lennox exposed Vitali as a fraudulent champion fighting in a weak era like Rocky Marciano.

Vitali was not dominating the fight. He had a decent start and as the fight went on he was eating uppercuts left and right and continued to clinch excessively. Lennox Lewis (remember - a 38 year old, fat, out of shape Lennox Lewis) still gave him fits and forced a doctor to stop the fight because Vitali was taking such a beating. Ironically people consider this humiliating face bashing to be Vitali's shining moment - that shows how overrated of a boxer you are when getting your faced smashed while having the slimmest of leads on the scorecard is your crowning achievement.

What I have written is UNDISPUTED truth and FACTUAL. This is not opinion or conjecture. I challenge any human being on earth to try and dispute the infallible assertion that, in general, the Klitshkos are extremely overrated by the media and public.

The following arguments do not disprove what has been written above and if one uses these fallacious arguments it will only prove one's own incompetence - much like Wladimir proved his incompetence as a boxer in getting demolished by Brewster (and falsely making up a poison excuse, no less.) Sanders and Puritty, and how Vitali demonstrated his incompetence as a boxer in having a relatively terrible performance against a trash version of Lennox Lewis.

1) Vitali is 45-2 with losses coming by injury stoppages and a 87% KO ratio. Wladimir is 59-3 with 51 KOs. Few boxers can match these numbers.
And who was the best opponent these boxers beat? Samuel Peter. Padded records mean nothing. Brian Nielsen was 49-0 at one point. Eric Esch was 61-1-3 at one point. Copy pasting statistics does not prove anything when you fail to put them in context. I highly doubt anyone is foolish enough to put Eric Esch above Evander Holyfield despite the fact that Esch has a higher winning percentage. If Holyfield fought both Klitschko's level of competition he would walk through them without a scratch.

2) Lennox Lewis was afraid of Vitali and ducked a rematch.
First of all - Lennox Lewis made Riddick Bowe duck HIM, he fought Holyfield twice, was willing to fight Tyson for several years and finally did, fought Mccall and Rahman even after being KOd, and Tommy Morrison, but some people are foolish enough to think he is scared of fighting KLITSCHKO of all people???
Secondly as mentioned several times - Lennox was 38, fat, in the worst shape ever, past his prime, and still made Vitali's face look like the deer my friend killed and put through the grinder a few weeks ago.
Thirdly - Why should a man in the physical twilight of his career (Lennox) risk his health for one more fight when he didn't take the fight seriously in the first place (still winning by TKO) and already proved his place among the all time greats? Vitali should be on his knees kissing Lennox's feet for even giving a bum like Klitschko the opportunity to fight an all time great like Lennox. Lennox isn't in the position of Joe Louis who had to come back and fight because of IRS problems, so he has no reason to risk his health after already risking it for over a decade against fighters lightyears beyond Klitschko.

3) the Klitschkos are foreign so they do not get respect.
really? Marquez, Pacquiao, Chavez sr, Duran, Monzon, Sergio Martinez, Genady Golovkin, Adonis Stevenson, Maidana, Rigondeux, Donaire do not get respect?
anyone who said this - shut up. No need to pull the race/nationality card

4) The Klitschkos records are numerically similar/better than other great heavyweights like Evander, Tyson, Ali, Foreman, etc.
Again, copy pasting statistics does not prove anything. Look at the men that the REAL heavyweights had to fight compared to the bum Klitschkos.
Bowe, Lennox, Moorer, Tua, Tyson, Evander, Morrison, Spinks, Foreman, Patterson, Frazier, Norton, Liston, etc.

Now lets compare the Klitschkos wins - Peter, old washed up Mercer, old washed up Rahman, Chris Byrd, Orlin Norris (who lost to a washed up Tyson), Purrity, Sanders, 38 year old fat Lennox, Chisora, Haye, Povetkin, Eddie Chambers. the hilarious thing is that they actually lost to some of these fighters on the list.

HUGE difference in competition.

Anyone who legitimately believes the farce that either Klitschko is an all time great heavyweight (let alone an ATG p4p fighter) is simply one of the many sheep that blindly follow the herd without thinking for themselves. I have blessed such blind sheep with my wisdom and knowledge and opened their eyes to the truth. It is time for these blind sheep to acknowledge the truth, otherwise I fear that these sheep blindly stumbling through the dark for so long will deny the truth even more vehemently now that these blind sheep have been exposed to the light of truth.

You do have to give the Klitschkos credit for dominating the division, even though it is incredibly weak. That in itself deserves SOME merit. You should not, however, put them among the all time greats after Vitali has been exposed by Lennox Lewis and Wladimir got showed up by Purrity Brewster and Sanders, and struggled against Sam Peter.

Again - I challenge any human being to try and refute my indisputable factual statements at the risk of making themselves look as incompetent as the Klitschkos in their attempts to be ranked among all time great heavyweights. If any human being can refute the irrefutable facts listed, I will respond and recognize their superior wisdom and knowledge. Unfortunately for Klitschko fans, the only people who possess wisdom and knowledge superior to myself would never try and refute these facts in the first place. For that reason, the chances of receiving a response from myself are negligible.

 

Johnson is pure garbage and is by far the most overratted fighter period...by far!!!!