Like it or not Ward's best win is still Calzaghe leftovers

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  1. christo

    christo Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Love or hate a fighter based on nationality or race but when
    you look at the facts. Andre Ward has only 3 notable wins
    as a pro in his career and those collective victories have landed
    him the RING #2 ranking on the mythical p4p list. But, let's have a
    closer look at those wins, since his fans seem to think his SMW
    career has eclipsed calzaghe's. His 1st signature win was against
    Mikkel Kessler, but A Kessler who had at the time had only 2 low
    level opponents in a span of about 2 years while he was going through
    promotional issues with Palle to Sauerland and not the prime, focused,
    busy and undefeated version that fought Calzaghe in a fun, action
    packed affair. The 2nd signature win for Ward was Carl Froch. This
    version of Froch that Ward beat had already lost to a defeated
    Mikkel Kessler in a tough and grueling fight, but not the prime and
    undefeated Kessler Calzaghe schooled. The 3rd and final win for Ward,
    and for some reason one most people think was most significant, was
    Chad Dawson. However, Ward didn't fight the Chad Dawson that beat
    Bernard Hopkins, Glen Johnson, and Antonio Tarver but a dried out
    very weight drained version of a rusty and cash strapped Chad Dawson.
    So......while most feel that Andre Ward deserves the #2 p4p spot, I
    personally do not because he's benefited too much from the super 6
    tourney and what that did for the SMW division. He hasn't actually
    beaten an elite fighter who was in his prime. Ironically, the same people
    who bash Calzaghe for having fought no one elite in their prime, give
    Andre Ward future ATG status and current p4p #2 based on the fact that
    his best win is Calzaghe leftovers and a guy crude Adonis Stevenson thrashed
    in a round.
    Total double standard

    Joe Calzaghe's career>Andre Ward's career
     
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  2. iceman71

    iceman71 WBC SILVER Champion Full Member

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    yawn
     
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  3. christo

    christo Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    **** off hillbilly. You always respond with some snide little
    quip instead of a response because all that inbreeding in
    your southern culture left you brainless.
     
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  4. kas117

    kas117 Undisputed Shit-Stirrer Full Member

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    Your parents should be shot for not aborting a useless piece of **** like you.
     
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  5. christo

    christo Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Yeah, fu.ck off you low IQ'd bottom feeding Obama supporter. Learn
    the sport or get off the forum twirp.
     
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  6. kas117

    kas117 Undisputed Shit-Stirrer Full Member

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    I'm not even a yank, let alone a Obama supporter, you pile of ****.

    Know the sport??

    YOU were the stupid little c#nt trying to falsify rankings to fit your agenda.

    If you had any sense of decency, you would blow your brains out.

    Asswipe.
     
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  7. Kevin Willis

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    Your such a p-u-s-s-y.:patsch
     
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  8. christo

    christo Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    He's just an impotent angry little man isn't be Kevin?
     
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  9. purephase

    purephase Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Like it or not, Calzaghe's best win is Clinton Mitchell's leftovers.
     
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  10. Farmboxer

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    Kessler was the champion, yet he was the one who had to travel over seas to fight Ward in his home town, with Ward's referee who helped him out in that fight. Ward should have been disqualified for the blatantly intentional, illegal headbutt that came from across the ring. Ward won by an illegal, intentional headbutt, any referee worth his salt would have disqualified Ward, after all, why do you think Ward only fights in his home town with his personal referee, judges, boxing commission, everything...............
     
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  11. seansanashee

    seansanashee Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Ward has an elite resume and fully deserves to be rated so highly.

    Which current fighters should be ahead of Ward on the current p4p list?
     
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  12. HerolGee

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    they are clazgahe leftovers because calzaghe came before ward.

    you cant really hold it against ward that he is younger than joe. what do you expect him to do, build a time machine and go back and fight the leftovers before joe faced them? even if he did, he'd win again.... and then calzaghe would be fighting ward leftovers. Stupid to blame someone for their date of birth.


    besides, ward has also beaten the fighters that joe ran in fear from - dawson and froch. froch is definitely better than Kessler, so that's one undisputed win better than what joe did. Joe ran from dawson's challenge, so that's another. SO the threads title is just not true, and disingenuous enough to be a non starter.
     
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  13. weegriffin

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    If it was based just on resume I think Bradley has a case.

    Witter, Vasquez, Holt, Alexander, Peterson, Marquez and Pacquiao.

    Problem comes that I thought Pacquiao should have won their fight and Ward has been more impressive in his fights.
     
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  14. CupidStunt

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    Elite resume? Elite skills yes, Elite resume no. His best wins are Froch, Kessler and the ghost of Chad Dawson. He has done nothing in the last couple of years to back up his claim for p4p#2

    I have Rigo, Bradley, Wlad above him and obviously Floyd. Even someone like Lara who noone talks about when it comes to p4p has arguably better wins than Ward, guys like Paul Williams, Trout and Angulo are at least equal to Wards best wins. Don't believe the hype
     
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  15. The Devil

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    Ward's best win is that over Carl Froch, who Super Joe refused to even give the time of day to, as Super Joe was the undisputed #1 and Carl Froch was just starting out.
     
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