Tougher opponents throughout there career. Tyson or Marciano

Whose cheek Seamus?

 

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Cutting through to the Tyson/Holyfield and Marciano/Charles comparison, it really is quite limited as no one considers the Tyson who lost to Holyfield to be either an all time great or the best Tyson .. he was a drugged out, poorly trained shadow of the 1988 version that crushed Spinks .. Some here are saying that the 33 plus year old Charles was legitimate test to verify Marciano's all time greatness, not just greatness for his size or day .. do you think that the 1988 Tyson gets extended by a pushhing 34 year old Ezzard Charles ? I think he blows him out in a round or two .. Bob Satterfield practically did it right before Ez fought Rocky and Bob lacks Tyson's punch, speed or durability ..

 

You are thinking of Lewis/Tyson. Holyfield gets quite a bit of credit for beating Tyson, and rather absurd to argue otherwise. It is by far his most championed victories. Tyson was coming off an impressive destruction over Bruno, had reclaimed his spot atop the division and by far the favorite. Possibly not at the absolute peak of his abilities but a still very game all time great expected to knockout Holyfield

How you think a fantasy match up goes wasn't his point. If that was the case, Charles would still be Tyson's greatest scalp up to that point. Why is Charles now 34 years old? He was 32 when he went 15 with Rocky.

 

No I'm thinking of this Tyson .. Holyfield gets credit for a very dramatic victory in a fight no one going in expected him to win as he was stopped by Bowe, lost to Moorer and looked terrible against Czyz while post prison Tyson was perfectly matched to look terrific but that Tyson was no where near the prime Tyson and no longer a great fighter .. he did not train, he did lots of drugs, he had no serious trainer. No one knew this better than King who matched him brilliantly ...McNeely was a club fighter. Mathis was small and feather fisted. Tyson actually looked pretty good against Bruno but Bruno was pushing 35 with a bad eye. Bruce Seldon had a china chin .. that being said, Tyson v.s. Holyfield was a huge event, good v.s. bad w good, the huge underdog, prevailing but in reality Holyfield was the better conditioned , active man who had fought much better opposition in the years entering the bout .. I think it was Evander's most dramatic victory but crushing Douglas, defeating Dokes, showing a ton of fight against a prime Bowe in the first fight and defeating Bowe in the rematch are bigger victories based on talent displayed.

Charles was actually three weeks shy of 33 against Marciano with over 95 fights under his belt .. Not 34, stand corrected.

 

McNeely was hand picked. The rest were not. Mathis Jr wasn't a world beater but a difficult opponent who made Bowe look bad, and Seldon and Bruno were the top belt holders at the time. Bruno had just come off his best career win against McCall in fact.


A very fat Douglas, a past it Dokes and a defeat against Bowe are better victories than Tyson? No, you aren't going to find many people that will agree with that. That is to sell post-prison Tyson very short, and call into question what you consider to be "talent displayed"

You can't rewrite history now matter how hard you try. Holyfield's wins over Tyson will go down as great wins over a great opponent. If Tyson lost over half of what he had in the 80s, he was still the most dangeorus HW in 95 and superior to most. And he did look very sharp in the Bruno match.

 

I'm not trying to rewrite history , I disagree with you and I think your knowledge of Tyson and his career is flawed. Mathis was a marginal contender, small with no power. Seldon was defined as a fighter that might have been something if his chin was not china .. You're saying these were not handpicked by King ? Come on .. The Tyson that lost to Holyfield was no longer an terrific fighter .. he was dangerous predicated on match up but no where near the man in his prime .. you can disagree about anything but these are the facts .

BTW, weren't you just preaching for a non-attack mode a few posts ago ? Now if we are going to debate an issue , try to keep your word. You've lasted a day so far ..