Renaldo Snipes

he was very awkward, had power but more of a roundhouse puncher, weird defense, decent chin

 

I liked this dude, (Snipes), he was a tough durable 80's heavyweight, from Texas, won 2 golden gloves championships in Illinois, and built up a respectable resume in the pros, beating Berbick, Eddie Mustafa Muhammad, Gerrie Coetzee, and Jumbo Cummings..
Actually gave Holmes a harder fight than Cooney, and had Holmes down and almost out in 81, Larry got the benefit of a long count..
There was way too much money involved with the Cooney fight looming, they did everything possible to screw Snipes and they did :-(

 

What long count? Larry got up within seconds, was given the mandatory eight count, and the fight continued. Larry was down for no more than four seconds.

 

Snipes took a ferocious beating for every moment of that fight with Holmes apart from the time he decked Holmes. It was not a long count, and on getting up even though he was hurt Holmes pounded Renaldo for the rest of the round. It was like the Cobb fight except it was stopped and there was a knock down.

Snipes was a good contender though, as good as anyone apart from Holmes. For a time there was no real difference between Snipes, Berbick, witherspoon and page. All as good. His fights with Berbick and Witherspoon could have went either way.

 

Agreed. Holmes wasn't down longer than maybe a couple seconds. He got up. Staggered a bit, then went right back to throwing punches.. While its true that he had Holmes down and cooney didn't, I disagree that he gave Larry a better fight. Snipes only won maybe 2 rounds against Holmes, while I gave Cooney about 5. Snipes didn't deserve the win against Coetzee either... Probably the biggest robbery of the 80's.Renaldo was a game fighter though..Exciting to watch. Usually in good condition. And not afraid to step in with a tough opponent.

 

If Holmes wasn't the benefactor of a long count, the fight was stopped too soon, there was some controversy, either way Larry got the benefit of the doubt:deal it WAS A VERY LONG TIME AGO, WELL OVER 30 YEARS, 1981, but i do remember Snipes came close to knocking Holmes out...

 

Lets watch the knockdown together... Its clocked 3:06 on the video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tlu4R_ZobU0. Holmes got decked. Got back up within about two seconds. He stumbled towards the corner. Took the 8 count and got right back in the fight. He was nowhere near as in big of trouble as he was against Shavers.

 

Holmes was taking free shots at a defenceless Snipes once it was stopped. Of course Renaldo complained it was early but it was just like a thousand stoppages where the victim is stopped on his feet because he can't defend himself physically but once it's waved off he verbally defends himself... too late.

The fans bood because Holmes spent most of the fight trying to put Snipes away and when he did it was the ref waving it off rather than clean knockout that ended the fight. That's all it was.

The punch stats on that fight would have been huge for Holmes. All the way Snipes appeared to take a record number of punches, I am sure of that. Renaldo took a shocking beating. He just would not go down.

 

Snipes was an exciting fighter who scored some impressive wins. Yes, the Coetzee decision was terrible. The controversy about the Holmes fight was the stoppage. Snipes was not as hurt at the time of the TKO as Holmes had been following the knockdown. Also, the bout was deceptive because even though Holmes was way ahead throughout, Renaldo posed an ever-present threat with his sneak right hand, hurting the champion repeatedly. He was also an ever-present threat to big money bouts planned for Holmes, thereby making the stoppage highly suspect.

 

:good, YUP, THERE was NO WAY, they were gonna let Snipes leave the building with that belt, and jeopardize the Cooney fight that was set to bring in HUGE MONEY!!:deal..

Holmes won the fight , but Snipes should have gotten another crack at a championship...

 

Thanks for the clip:yep, Holmes was up in a timely matter, but rocked, Snipes in my opinion was having his way in rounds 6 and 7, and at 3:50 of the tape, was actually smiling and taunting Holmes:smoke..

Damn i miss the old days......

 

The stoppage was identical to the Ali-Lyle stoppage. Only difference was Holmes was way ahead all the way through even if he had been down. It was good, merciful stoppage.

Fans never like to see a man stopped on his feet after he scores a knockdown but Snipes took a one sided shelacking. Only the ropes held him up. Holmes was under pressure to look good going into the Cooney showdown and was frustrated because he could not put renaldo away earlier (and paid the price for) loading up all the way. He was irritated by Snipes' defiance. Larry tried way too hard to knock Snipes out, it was a nasty display really.

 

Funnily enough I recently watched round 7 of this fight on youtube. It was a bad KD & the way Holmes staggered into the turnbuckle proved how far gone Holmes was - for a few seconds. However, the way Holmes back in the same round was the stuff of greatness...

Having said all that, I thought at the time and still do that it was at best a poor, premature stoppage, at worst something more suspicious.

The fight was stopped with Snipes in considerably less trouble in round 11 than Holmes was in round 7 - that's clear. A bit like the recont Froch-Groves stoppage with Groves stopped whilst in less trouble than Froch was in round 1. That decision I am sure, was mere incompetence by the referee, with the ref probably unconsciously influenced by Froch's warrior like reputation.

However, what with the megabucks Holmes-Cooney fight on the line the Holmes Snipes stoppage can easily be perceived as suspicious. Snipes should have been given the same leeway in round 11 as Holmes was in round 7 - he wasn't. Thiswas a clear injustice - sport should be about fairness and justice - the same rules should apply to both sides - in this case, they weren't, imo.

 

I understand the comparison with froch-groves however the referee has to consider the acumulative punishment throughout the fight from the knockdown to the point in the fight where the loser needed saving.

Holmes was given the eight count and got going again. It was the only moment he was hurt, there was no leeway. Snipes on the other hand was on the brink of a stoppage on several occasions. There were several heavy attacks that Snipes survived most rounds in fact but he always managed to move away or fire back. In round 11, he visibly froze for a moment and Holmes turned it on yet again this time renaldos head rebounded loosely, bouncing back and forth into the turnbuckle. Over and over. There was no moving away. He was cornered. I don't think the referee really had a choice. He was helpless. The referee was forced to make a responsible decision at that moment. The ref proberbly already knew the kid had taken a lot most rounds so it was a no brainer to pull him out. He was a sitting duck.

It is not a case of it being the same kind of trouble as the other guy was earlier on during the one time in the entire fight he took a decent punch. This was about saving a kid who was severely under the cosh all night.