Will the people who discredit the Klitschkos do the same to Lomachenko?

Lol, you just continue to make yourself look foolish with all your hypocrisy. :nono

 

I see good ole MLKenzie . . . the "white civil rights activist" is at it again. He is is willing to fight for the rights of all the disenfranchised white athletes over t Caste but to much of a coward to reveal who he really is . . . even though everyone knows!

 

the ppl who love the klitschkos don't get it.

they have every advantage in the world...but they don't fight like it.

lomachenko does.

don't ever put these guys in the same sentence. it's a discredit to lomachenko.

 

they are different people, completely mutually exclusive in the way they are viewed.

to me, Kovalev is a GOD, the K2s are respected but weak manufactured champs, and Lomacwatshisname I haven't yet seen fight so yet to decide, though he sounds like the real deal.

they are all different.

if you think otherwise you should be wary of harbouring a nationalist fortress mentality - in calling others racist it is you being racist.

 

I plan to discredit him the moment it appears he has any fragility in his mandible.

 

Like Vitali, can't stand Wlad, big fan of Lomachenko. Whats not to love about a guy taking on Salido in his 2nd pro fight?

This might be hard for some of the smaller minded posters on here to understand, but some fans don't only support boxers that are the same race as them

we're all human beings maaaan

 

I don't know the guys you mentioned except for briefly sharing space with them on a forum, so I respect your opinion but have nothing to support it myself.

I have no idea if you started this post or not, so I am not making any accusation at you. And therefore I am completely within my rights, and completely independent of my thoughts about you, and also factly correct, to observe that those with nationalist fortress mentalities are merely reversing racism. Its what started the Nazi party and fuels the BNP, for goodness sake. I am sure you don't share their thoughts nor want to. You don't seem like a bad egg, freedom, but obviously I am not going to pretend to know you well.

Thank you for your reply.

 

What is the poll indicating now? :yep

 

I could give two shits whether posters on a message board, whom I don't know and in many instances don't think much of, discredit Lomo.

The kid has been a pleasure to watch for years, and I look forward to seeing him rise to the level of a P4Per in the pros.

As for the larger themes of this thread, however, I have some swamp land to sell anyone on here who doesn't think there are certain posters--you know who you are--who will gleefully root against the kid because of the color of his skin.

That's just reality.

 

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha how can you be a manufactured champion and hold every single title in the division ?

 

According to Fight Fax, Lomachenko’s WSB bouts are included in his pro record since he used 8 oz gloves, the fights had three judges, one referee, no head gear and most importantly, he got paid. Other fighters haunted by their paid “amateur” fights include U.S. Olympians JoJo Diaz and Terrell Gausha who both have WSB losses included on their official pro records. So technically Lomachenko should be 7-0 as a Pro, but somehow the Snakes Top Rank found some way to fool the Lamestream Boxing Public that Ramirez was his first professional fight. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-IgnpNhFXM Here's one of his fights from WSB(World Series Of Boxin) Facts don't lie.

 

The title is very misleading. When people do not give credit to the Klitschkos, they are not discrediting the Klitschkos. Discrediting implies that you are not giving someone the credit they deserve. The Klitschkos deserve very little credit for their weak careers, so it is very very difficult to give them less credit then they deserve - because there is almost none to give.

Both Klitschkos are extremely overrated since they have annually been placed among the top 10 p4p for the past few years in several p4p lists. To claim that they are underrated is fallacious and a terrible farce. Simply copy pasting statistics such as the Klitschkos W-L record or KO ratios and numerically comparing them to other great heavyweights simply demonstrates an inability to use logical thinking and an inability to put these misleading statistics into context. After the Holyfield Bowe Tyson Lewis era was finished, the post early 2000s heavyweight division became the weakest division in the history of any weight class of any era since perhaps the beginning of boxing as a sport.

All of the wins in both Klitschkos resumes come against fighters years and years beyond their prime, with padded records, with no name fighters who should not be in a boxing ring to begin with, or some combination of these flaws.

The biggest and most impressive win on both Klitschko's resume is Samuel Peter - who still managed to knock down the bum Wladimir 3 times in one fight. Samuel Peter as your best win does not make you an all time great or a top 10 p4p fighter for several years. In a weak era where Samuel Peter was the best fighter you beat (and one that Wladimir struggled with), it doesn't matter how many title defenses, knockouts, wins, etc. you have. You are not among the elite.

Lennox Lewis - even at 38 years old, fat, in the worst shape of his career, was barely losing on the scorecard 58-56 to Vitali - which could easily have been scored a draw at that point (yet so many idiotic fans try to use this slim edge as validation that Klitschko "won" the fight) and still managed to take complete control of the fight heading into the 6th round and smashed Vitali's face so badly that a medical professional could not allow Vitali to get further annihilated and, in hindsight, Lennox exposed Vitali as a fraudulent champion fighting in a weak era like Rocky Marciano.

Vitali was not dominating the fight. He had a decent start and as the fight went on he was eating uppercuts left and right and continued to clinch excessively. Lennox Lewis (remember - a 38 year old, fat, out of shape Lennox Lewis) still gave him fits and forced a doctor to stop the fight because Vitali was taking such a beating. Ironically people consider this humiliating face bashing to be Vitali's shining moment - that shows how overrated of a boxer you are when getting your faced smashed while having the slimmest of leads on the scorecard is your crowning achievement.

What I have written is UNDISPUTED truth and FACTUAL. This is not opinion or conjecture. I challenge any human being on earth to try and dispute the infallible assertion that, in general, the Klitshkos are extremely overrated by the media and public.

The following arguments do not disprove what has been written above and if one uses these fallacious arguments it will only prove one's own incompetence - much like Wladimir proved his incompetence as a boxer in getting demolished by Brewster (and falsely making up a poison excuse, no less.) Sanders and Puritty, and how Vitali demonstrated his incompetence as a boxer in having a relatively terrible performance against a trash version of Lennox Lewis.

1) Vitali is 45-2 with losses coming by injury stoppages and a 87% KO ratio. Wladimir is 59-3 with 51 KOs. Few boxers can match these numbers.
And who was the best opponent these boxers beat? Samuel Peter. Padded records mean nothing. Brian Nielsen was 49-0 at one point. Eric Esch was 61-1-3 at one point. Copy pasting statistics does not prove anything when you fail to put them in context. I highly doubt anyone is foolish enough to put Eric Esch above Evander Holyfield despite the fact that Esch has a higher winning percentage. If Holyfield fought both Klitschko's level of competition he would walk through them without a scratch.

2) Lennox Lewis was afraid of Vitali and ducked a rematch.
First of all - Lennox Lewis made Riddick Bowe duck HIM, he fought Holyfield twice, was willing to fight Tyson for several years and finally did, fought Mccall and Rahman even after being KOd, and Tommy Morrison, but some people are foolish enough to think he is scared of fighting KLITSCHKO of all people???
Secondly as mentioned several times - Lennox was 38, fat, in the worst shape ever, past his prime, and still made Vitali's face look like the deer my friend killed and put through the grinder a few weeks ago.
Thirdly - Why should a man in the physical twilight of his career (Lennox) risk his health for one more fight when he didn't take the fight seriously in the first place (still winning by TKO) and already proved his place among the all time greats? Vitali should be on his knees kissing Lennox's feet for even giving a bum like Klitschko the opportunity to fight an all time great like Lennox. Lennox isn't in the position of Joe Louis who had to come back and fight because of IRS problems, so he has no reason to risk his health after already risking it for over a decade against fighters lightyears beyond Klitschko.

3) the Klitschkos are foreign so they do not get respect.
really? Marquez, Pacquiao, Chavez sr, Duran, Monzon, Sergio Martinez, Genady Golovkin, Adonis Stevenson, Maidana, Rigondeux, Donaire do not get respect?
anyone who said this - shut up. No need to pull the race/nationality card

4) The Klitschkos records are numerically similar/better than other great heavyweights like Evander, Tyson, Ali, Foreman, etc.
Again, copy pasting statistics does not prove anything. Look at the men that the REAL heavyweights had to fight compared to the bum Klitschkos.
Bowe, Lennox, Moorer, Tua, Tyson, Evander, Morrison, Spinks, Foreman, Patterson, Frazier, Norton, Liston, etc.

Now lets compare the Klitschkos wins - Peter, old washed up Mercer, old washed up Rahman, Chris Byrd, Orlin Norris (who lost to a washed up Tyson), Purrity, Sanders, 38 year old fat Lennox, Chisora, Haye, Povetkin, Eddie Chambers. the hilarious thing is that they actually lost to some of these fighters on the list.

HUGE difference in competition.

Anyone who legitimately believes the farce that either Klitschko is an all time great heavyweight (let alone an ATG p4p fighter) is simply one of the many sheep that blindly follow the herd without thinking for themselves. I have blessed such blind sheep with my wisdom and knowledge and opened their eyes to the truth. It is time for these blind sheep to acknowledge the truth, otherwise I fear that these sheep blindly stumbling through the dark for so long will deny the truth even more vehemently now that these blind sheep have been exposed to the light of truth.

You do have to give the Klitschkos credit for dominating the division, even though it is incredibly weak. That in itself deserves SOME merit. You should not, however, put them among the all time greats after Vitali has been exposed by Lennox Lewis and Wladimir got showed up by Purrity Brewster and Sanders, and struggled against Sam Peter.

Again - I challenge any human being to try and refute my indisputable factual statements at the risk of making themselves look as incompetent as the Klitschkos in their attempts to be ranked among all time great heavyweights. If any human being can refute the irrefutable facts listed, I will respond and recognize their superior wisdom and knowledge. Unfortunately for Klitschko fans, the only people who possess wisdom and knowledge superior to myself would never try and refute these facts in the first place. For that reason, the chances of receiving a response from myself are negligible.

 

That is a good point, but to be completely fair - as per Lomachenko himself- the gloves used in WSB are softer than pro gloves and do not allow the fighter to "make the fist" completely thus lessening the transfer of punching power. But beside that and the 5 rounds the WSB can be counted as pro experience.

 

The discrediting is well underway, I see.

If you people do not get that white Euro's are met with the most skepticism and unrealistic scrutiny then there is no hope for you. Root for whomever you like, that's fine by me just do not expect me to fall for your sanctimonious pablum about being fair and openminded while you attribute sinister motives to others.

It is refreshing that the mods actually let us discuss this stuff for a change.In past times some snitch ***** would have REPORTED any post such as this because it shortcircuited their social programming.