Will the people who discredit the Klitschkos do the same to Lomachenko?

JAB5239 · Feb 24, 2014

Kevin Willis said: ↑

The discrediting is well underway, I see.

If you people do not get that white Euro's are met with the most skepticism and unrealistic scrutiny then there is no hope for you. Root for whomever you like, that's fine by me just do not expect me to fall for your sanctimonious pablum about being fair and openminded while you attribute sinister motives to others.

It is refreshing that the mods actually let us discuss this stuff for a change.In past times some snitch ***** would have REPORTED any post such as this because it shortcircuited their social programming.
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Who is discrediting him? You do know skepticism and discrediting are two different things, right? Being skeptical about an unproven fighter is natural no matter where they're from.

DrMo · Feb 24, 2014

Sug3 said: ↑

According to Fight Fax, Lomachenko’s WSB bouts are included in his pro record since he used 8 oz gloves, the fights had three judges, one referee, no head gear and most importantly, he got paid. Other fighters haunted by their paid “amateur” fights include U.S. Olympians JoJo Diaz and Terrell Gausha who both have WSB losses included on their official pro records. So technically Lomachenko should be 7-0 as a Pro, but somehow the Snakes Top Rank found some way to fool the Lamestream Boxing Public that Ramirez was his first professional fight. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-IgnpNhFXM Here's one of his fights from WSB(World Series Of Boxin) Facts don't lie.
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WSB uses 10oz gloves in Loma's weight division & there are 5 judges from whom 3 scores are selected randomly. Amateurs don't use head gear anymore btw.

The WSB has AIBA (amateur) refs, rules & regulations. The scoring system is different to pro boxing, they use bigger gloves & its only 5 rounds.

Iirc its only WSB fights in America that fight fax count as pro fights.

Farmboxer · Feb 24, 2014

I expect them to lie about him like they do Golovkin, Klitschkos, Kovalev, etc.

JAB5239 · Feb 24, 2014

Farmboxer said: ↑

I expect them to lie about him like they do Golovkin, Klitschkos, Kovalev, etc.
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Yes, but you're a moron who thinks anyone who criticizes any white fighter is making up lies.

Bulletproof · Feb 25, 2014

JAB5239 said: ↑

Yes, but you're a moron who thinks anyone who criticizes any white fighter is making up lies.
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That's the Caste Football way. Anything that doesn't fit their poor white guy victim mentality is a lie. Not a single person who posts there is capable of forming an independent thought. It's basically, "yeah, what he said" all day, every day. That site is about as pathetic as it gets, however it is funny to read all the woe is me and whining that they all do because not enough people are kissing whitey's feet!!!

UnleashtheFURY · Feb 25, 2014

I Know Everythi said: ↑

The title is very misleading. When people do not give credit to the Klitschkos, they are not discrediting the Klitschkos. Discrediting implies that you are not giving someone the credit they deserve. The Klitschkos deserve very little credit for their weak careers, so it is very very difficult to give them less credit then they deserve - because there is almost none to give.

Both Klitschkos are extremely overrated since they have annually been placed among the top 10 p4p for the past few years in several p4p lists. To claim that they are underrated is fallacious and a terrible farce. Simply copy pasting statistics such as the Klitschkos W-L record or KO ratios and numerically comparing them to other great heavyweights simply demonstrates an inability to use logical thinking and an inability to put these misleading statistics into context. After the Holyfield Bowe Tyson Lewis era was finished, the post early 2000s heavyweight division became the weakest division in the history of any weight class of any era since perhaps the beginning of boxing as a sport.

All of the wins in both Klitschkos resumes come against fighters years and years beyond their prime, with padded records, with no name fighters who should not be in a boxing ring to begin with, or some combination of these flaws.

The biggest and most impressive win on both Klitschko's resume is Samuel Peter - who still managed to knock down the bum Wladimir 3 times in one fight. Samuel Peter as your best win does not make you an all time great or a top 10 p4p fighter for several years. In a weak era where Samuel Peter was the best fighter you beat (and one that Wladimir struggled with), it doesn't matter how many title defenses, knockouts, wins, etc. you have. You are not among the elite.

Lennox Lewis - even at 38 years old, fat, in the worst shape of his career, was barely losing on the scorecard 58-56 to Vitali - which could easily have been scored a draw at that point (yet so many idiotic fans try to use this slim edge as validation that Klitschko "won" the fight) and still managed to take complete control of the fight heading into the 6th round and smashed Vitali's face so badly that a medical professional could not allow Vitali to get further annihilated and, in hindsight, Lennox exposed Vitali as a fraudulent champion fighting in a weak era like Rocky Marciano.

Vitali was not dominating the fight. He had a decent start and as the fight went on he was eating uppercuts left and right and continued to clinch excessively. Lennox Lewis (remember - a 38 year old, fat, out of shape Lennox Lewis) still gave him fits and forced a doctor to stop the fight because Vitali was taking such a beating. Ironically people consider this humiliating face bashing to be Vitali's shining moment - that shows how overrated of a boxer you are when getting your faced smashed while having the slimmest of leads on the scorecard is your crowning achievement.

What I have written is UNDISPUTED truth and FACTUAL. This is not opinion or conjecture. I challenge any human being on earth to try and dispute the infallible assertion that, in general, the Klitshkos are extremely overrated by the media and public.

The following arguments do not disprove what has been written above and if one uses these fallacious arguments it will only prove one's own incompetence - much like Wladimir proved his incompetence as a boxer in getting demolished by Brewster (and falsely making up a poison excuse, no less.) Sanders and Puritty, and how Vitali demonstrated his incompetence as a boxer in having a relatively terrible performance against a trash version of Lennox Lewis.

1) Vitali is 45-2 with losses coming by injury stoppages and a 87% KO ratio. Wladimir is 59-3 with 51 KOs. Few boxers can match these numbers.
And who was the best opponent these boxers beat? Samuel Peter. Padded records mean nothing. Brian Nielsen was 49-0 at one point. Eric Esch was 61-1-3 at one point. Copy pasting statistics does not prove anything when you fail to put them in context. I highly doubt anyone is foolish enough to put Eric Esch above Evander Holyfield despite the fact that Esch has a higher winning percentage. If Holyfield fought both Klitschko's level of competition he would walk through them without a scratch.

2) Lennox Lewis was afraid of Vitali and ducked a rematch.
First of all - Lennox Lewis made Riddick Bowe duck HIM, he fought Holyfield twice, was willing to fight Tyson for several years and finally did, fought Mccall and Rahman even after being KOd, and Tommy Morrison, but some people are foolish enough to think he is scared of fighting KLITSCHKO of all people???
Secondly as mentioned several times - Lennox was 38, fat, in the worst shape ever, past his prime, and still made Vitali's face look like the deer my friend killed and put through the grinder a few weeks ago.
Thirdly - Why should a man in the physical twilight of his career (Lennox) risk his health for one more fight when he didn't take the fight seriously in the first place (still winning by TKO) and already proved his place among the all time greats? Vitali should be on his knees kissing Lennox's feet for even giving a bum like Klitschko the opportunity to fight an all time great like Lennox. Lennox isn't in the position of Joe Louis who had to come back and fight because of IRS problems, so he has no reason to risk his health after already risking it for over a decade against fighters lightyears beyond Klitschko.

3) the Klitschkos are foreign so they do not get respect.
really? Marquez, Pacquiao, Chavez sr, Duran, Monzon, Sergio Martinez, Genady Golovkin, Adonis Stevenson, Maidana, Rigondeux, Donaire do not get respect?
anyone who said this - shut up. No need to pull the race/nationality card

4) The Klitschkos records are numerically similar/better than other great heavyweights like Evander, Tyson, Ali, Foreman, etc.
Again, copy pasting statistics does not prove anything. Look at the men that the REAL heavyweights had to fight compared to the bum Klitschkos.
Bowe, Lennox, Moorer, Tua, Tyson, Evander, Morrison, Spinks, Foreman, Patterson, Frazier, Norton, Liston, etc.

Now lets compare the Klitschkos wins - Peter, old washed up Mercer, old washed up Rahman, Chris Byrd, Orlin Norris (who lost to a washed up Tyson), Purrity, Sanders, 38 year old fat Lennox, Chisora, Haye, Povetkin, Eddie Chambers. the hilarious thing is that they actually lost to some of these fighters on the list.

HUGE difference in competition.

Anyone who legitimately believes the farce that either Klitschko is an all time great heavyweight (let alone an ATG p4p fighter) is simply one of the many sheep that blindly follow the herd without thinking for themselves. I have blessed such blind sheep with my wisdom and knowledge and opened their eyes to the truth. It is time for these blind sheep to acknowledge the truth, otherwise I fear that these sheep blindly stumbling through the dark for so long will deny the truth even more vehemently now that these blind sheep have been exposed to the light of truth.

You do have to give the Klitschkos credit for dominating the division, even though it is incredibly weak. That in itself deserves SOME merit. You should not, however, put them among the all time greats after Vitali has been exposed by Lennox Lewis and Wladimir got showed up by Purrity Brewster and Sanders, and struggled against Sam Peter.

Again - I challenge any human being to try and refute my indisputable factual statements at the risk of making themselves look as incompetent as the Klitschkos in their attempts to be ranked among all time great heavyweights. If any human being can refute the irrefutable facts listed, I will respond and recognize their superior wisdom and knowledge. Unfortunately for Klitschko fans, the only people who possess wisdom and knowledge superior to myself would never try and refute these facts in the first place. For that reason, the chances of receiving a response from myself are negligible.
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TL/DR nobody reads your **** copy and paste jobs :good

Faerun · Feb 25, 2014

Unlike MacKKKenzie, I admit to visiting castefootball on occasion. I swear it's like observing chimpanzees through a window. It's the most fascinating **** as to what hilarious crackpot theories these guys come up with.

FilipMNE · Feb 25, 2014

Tons of fans hat Wlad and love Vitali, ot hate K bros but love Kovalev, GGG not a race thing at all...Lomachenko will have more fans than WLad because he is fun to watch.

Cafe · Feb 25, 2014

Every fighter has detractors or haters, so undoubtedly he will have some as well.

freedom2013 · Feb 25, 2014

Faerun said: ↑

Unlike MacKKKenzie, I admit to visiting castefootball on occasion. I swear it's like observing chimpanzees through a window. It's the most fascinating **** as to what hilarious crackpot theories these guys come up with.
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Imagine the reaction you'd get if you said about the New Black Panthers website JASPER posts at is "like observing chimpanzees through a window".

If someone discredited and bashed black boxers the way JAB5239, Faerun and Mr Pibb discredit and bash white boxers, what would happen?

Let's be honest, there IS a racist double standard.

There was a time when Jack Johnson was hated for being a black heavyweight champion. But racism has reversed itself, nowadays Wladimir Klitschko is hated for being a white heavyweight champion.

Back in Jack Johnson's time, there were members of the KKK going on and on about how bad the heavyweight division was. Now we have JAB5239 going on and on, day after day about how bad the heavyweight division is.

Racism is wrong, no matter who it's against. I pray for the day when we judge each other by what we do, and race doesn't come into it at all.

Bulletproof · Feb 25, 2014

JAB5239 said: ↑

Yes, but you're a moron who thinks anyone who criticizes any white fighter is making up lies.
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freedom2013 said: ↑

Imagine the reaction you'd get if you said about the New Black Panthers website JASPER posts at is "like observing chimpanzees through a window".

If someone discredited and bashed black boxers the way JAB5239, Faerun and Mr Pibb discredit and bash white boxers, what would happen?

Let's be honest, there IS a racist double standard.

There was a time when Jack Johnson was hated for being a black heavyweight champion. But racism has reversed itself, nowadays Wladimir Klitschko is hated for being a white heavyweight champion.

Back in Jack Johnson's time, there were members of the KKK going on and on about how bad the heavyweight division was. Now we have JAB5239 going on and on, day after day about how bad the heavyweight division is.

Racism is wrong, no matter who it's against. I pray for the day when we judge each other by what we do, and race doesn't come into it at all.
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So you are honestly comparing a dude on an internet forum to the KKK? Secondly why do you have such a hard on about people, especially white ones like me that don't support/follow/drool over Eastern Euro fighters? Honestly dude, please enlighten me. It's like you are on a crusade on behalf of all these fighters to demand respect for them. IDK, you just seem really bothered if someone doesn't share your bromance of Vitali, Wlad, Kovalev, GGG, Lomachenko, etc.....

Pound4PoundGG · Feb 25, 2014

freedom2013 said: ↑

I wonder if the boxing "fans" who constantly discredit and bash the Klitschkos will do the same to Vasyl Lomachenko in the months to come?

If he beats Salido in his second pro fight, and especially if he goes on to beat other top featherweights during the next year or two, will those same obsessive haters go after him the way they've gone after the Klitschkos?

Would that reveal what motivates them to discredit these boxers? :yep

Lomachenko has probably the best amateur record of all time: 396-1. But will the obsessive haters find some way to put a negative "spin" on it?
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i hope not this guy looks like a different beast altogether

HerolGee · Feb 25, 2014

freedom2013 said: ↑

Imagine the reaction you'd get if you said about the New Black Panthers website JASPER posts at is "like observing chimpanzees through a window".
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you are confusing referring to someones skin colour with referring to someones behaviour.

they are referring to the behaviour of the users of caste football. there is no reference to their skin colour. For example, you could easily refer to the IT hotline for British Telecom as akin to a chimpanzee enclosure. This is not racism. its because they are idiots.

BUT racist people refer to chimps to describe blacks because they prejudice on skin colour, not behaviour. though ironically, chimps have white skin under their black fur, so unintentionally, you almost have a point.

judging people based on their behaviour is not prejudiced, its accurate and evidence based.

JASPER · Feb 25, 2014

Bulletproof said: ↑

So you are honestly comparing a dude on an internet forum to the KKK? Secondly why do you have such a hard on about people, especially white ones like me that don't support/follow/drool over Eastern Euro fighters? Honestly dude, please enlighten me. It's like you are on a crusade on behalf of all these fighters to demand respect for them. IDK, you just seem really bothered if someone doesn't share your bromance of Vitali, Wlad, Kovalev, GGG, Lomachenko, etc.....
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Gotta love this guy . . . lol. He is a "white civil rights activist" . . . code for white supremacist. What he fails to realize that real activist have balls and have the courage to admit to who they are. I still wonder why Freedom is such a coward not to admit that he is Tunney/ Joe MacKKKenzie . . . etc and post on the Castefootball site. Everybody knows who you are just fess up.

I get a kick how he claims I post on the Panthers website because the last time I helped to out him he claimed I posted on Caste and made an account their with my tag name . . .:rofl:rofl:rofl

Faerun · Feb 25, 2014

****, I should check whether he created an account with my name on Black Panther forums too. brb

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