Rocky Marciano is the most overrated HW besides the Klitschkos

You really DO know everything...... About trolling. :good

it really is a shame that you took all that time writing this post. Because no one is going to be lured into giving you the attention you crave.

 

If you already know everything, then what do you need us for?

 

You don't know jack....

Sir Bert Cooper should be #1 on your garbage list.


Bertram Cooper (born January 10, 1966), also known as Sir Smokin Bert Cooper is a heavyweight boxer, most famous for his devastating punching power and several wild brawls in the 1990s. The African American son of [url]British[/url] boxing legend Sir Henry Cooper may not have got his father's looks but he did inherit his powerful left hook.
Cooper came out of Philadelphia and was trained in his early years by ex-champs Joe Frazier, and his father, and rose in the rankings with a series of explosive knockouts in the Cruiserweight division despite being a natural welter weight when not training. He hit the great Orlin Norris so hard it damaged his knee and marked Cooper as a man to be feared.Cooper vowed only to fight Heavyweights from that moment on and still pulled his punches out of fear of killing again.
He faced many legends such as Ray Mercer, George Foreman, Riddick Bowe, Michael Moorer, Chris Byrd, Derrick Jefferson, Corrie Sanders, Evander Holyfield, and Gabe Brown. All these fighters have been quoted as crediting him as the hardest puncher they ever faced. Holyfield specifically went into great detail in a Ring Magazine interivew, "Tyson was all arms and elbows, he could hurt you but Bert Cooper could kill you. I was lucky he held back when he fought me, but he could still kill you without trying, that's how hard he hit."
The greatest victory of Cooper's career came when he KOed Ring #4 Joe Savage in 1994, putting him in line for a title shot. However, Don King told Cooper he would have to wait as Tyson was getting out of prision. The plan was for Tyson to unify the titles and defend the undisputed Championship against Cooper. But. Mike Tyson was quoted as tellling Don King, "**** that, you fight him if you love him so much, ******. " Not fighting the entire year, Cooper campaigned vigorously for a title fight with Tyson in 1996, calling him out on ESPN with vicious improvised raps. All was in vain, however, as Tyson faced Holyfield instead.
Holyfield refused to give the aging Cooper a rematch and Cooper accepted his lot in life as a gate keeper. Allowing younger potential superstars to beat him and add his legendary name to their resumes. Cooper was finally knighted in 1999 by the Queen for his Human Rights work and legendary career. He is currenlty the first and only African American to be knighted. Sir Bert Cooper currently tours the world with his hip hip/jazz fusion band, the Funky Left Hook Express occassionally calling out the [url]Klitschko[/url] Brothers, who live in fear of his return.

[url]http://eastsideboxing.wikia.com/wiki/Sir_Bert_Cooper[/url]

 

Sir Bert Cooper who also acquired the title of "count" from the prince of monoco after his stellar knockout of Rick Hoard in 1990, was certainly a remarkable warrior, and very overrated....

But he doesn't quite match up to my man Chuck " the Bayonne Bleeder" wepner.. This was an ATG who retired Sonny Liston, Thrashed Earnie Terrell, Schooled a green Foreman, put Muhammad Ali on ***** street, and sent Randy Newman into referring. Its no wonder that one of the greatest movies of all time was inspired by his untouchable legacy.

 

Wepner certainly got robbed on the cards against Ali. I hate everytime I go to boxrec, it still says "TKO 15" That is an oxymoron. If 15 rounds were completed you go to the cards like any other damn fight. Wepner lasted the distance, he scored a knockdown, what more could he have done? The fix was in.

"Raging Bull" Absolutely was inspired by Wepner.

 

Klitschkos overrated? :rofl

I don't understand how they can be overrated when they are constantly bashed by the boxing press and people on forums such as yourself... Yeah they sure as hell get a ton of love from people like Kellerman, very overrated fighters!

Marciano I agree is EXTREMELY overrated though, he beat a bunch of cabdrivers and old over the hill greats.

 

As was Rocky. A true warrior.. And people accuse me of overrating him. :-(

 

LaStarza had an excellent amateur pedigree and barely lost a fight.

The Rock over came his high level of skill and crushed him , much like he did to the other 45.

 

I read a fair and seemingly well written book on his career...he seemed to arrive in the big time when other top guys had gone over the hill and not much in the way of young talent was peaking...so there was a void which he filled.
He overcame limited technical ability with toughness and tremendous fitness.
He rode his luck then quit as he felt his manager was ripping him off and he didnt want to be exploited anymore...the tale seemed genuine...i dont know who would have been next in line to fight him..i dont remember Liston being mentioned..was Liston not in prison at this point ? I"m not sure ? Liston didnt become a top contender for another 2 or 3 years i think ?
I got the impression Marciano wouldnt have feared anybody..and would have fought anybody if the money was right.
Basically he dominated a weak post Louis era...and the last era before the bigger heavys came through.
Whatever anybody thinks he could only beat the people around him.
Finally let me categorically assure you...NOBODY wins 49 fights by being a bum..!

 

Courage Tshabalala had even better amateur pedigree.

 

All that was in line for Marciano when he retired was Bob baker or a rematch with Archie Moore.

Moore had already knocked out Baker so that was a dead duck. Number 3 was hurricane Jackson who had already been knocked out by valdes. Valdes himself lost to baker then satterfeild. Satterfeild never could win more than a fight or two without losing so he was a dead duck.

Rocky needed a fight that summer but nobody looked worthy enough to fill a ballpark.

There were younger untested fighters coming through but they all needed to establish themselves over another year or two to catch on as worthy contenders. Kids like pastrano, machen, Johansson, young Jack johnson (This group did not include Liston or Patterson. Floyd was still 170lb and nobody knew who Liston was until 1959) but Rocky could not wait inactive that long so he retired.

Once marciano retired Jackson and Archie Moore looked the best two heavyweights. By then Moore had continued winning and Jackson had beat Baker too. Then, out of the blue, with Marciano long gone, #1 lightheavyweight contender Patterson moved up to heavyweight and beat both.

 

My ex-wife told me SHE knew everything!!!