calzaghe....early to mid 80's

I think at stages he could've made the top 10.
I voted floating in and out the top 10 - which is about fair I think.

 

End of thread !

 

You demanded I show some posts where you discredit white boxers. So I bumped several threads you made for that purpose.

 

Joe Calzaghe is overrated and has a padded record. All boxing fans with an ounce of knowledge know that Calzaghe is a mediocre fighter with a padded record. Being undefeated is not impressive when you fight in your backyard vs bums for 95% of your career. He wasn't trash, but he wasn't exactly good either. Let's look at his "noteworthy" career.

1) Chris Eubank - this is not a notable win. Eubank was in the end of his career and a shell of his former self. And on top of that, a prime Eubank didn't beat anyone other than Benn - a decent but not great boxer. And he ducked James Toney cuz he knew Toney would crush him.

2) Jeff Lacy - A washed up version of Roy Jones finished this guy. That shows how unimpressive this win is.

3) Sakio Bika - a belt holder with no notable wins.

4) Manfredo Jr - another easy win. Not impressive

5) Kessler - he beat Froch. Whoop de doo who has Froch beaten outside of a washed up Glen Johnson, and padded record Abraham and Bute? (who have never beaten anyone notable) Froch also got a gift from the ref vs Groves and the judges vs Dirrell. Froch's win over Pascal is not impressive because Pascal is nowhere near the same fighter anymore. And Jermain Taylor was a blind squirrel who stumbled across an acorn vs Bernard Hopkins, and did nothing since then. After his 15 minutes of fame Taylor disappeared quickly. So now that we established that Froch is overrated like his countryman Calzaghe, there are no notable wins on Kessler's resume either.

6) Roy Jones - of course when Calzaghe fights Roy Jones, Jones is a shell of his former self. Roy already got viciously KOd twice before this, and he was not anything close to resembling a world class fighter. And he still knocked down the overrated pillow-punching/slapping bum Calzaghe.

7) Bernard Hopkins - Calzaghe did not win that fight. He got gifted a decision. His father was screaming at him in the corner before the last round - telling him he needed a knockout. From the look on Calzaghe's face before the judges' announcement he knew he didn't deserve to win the fight. Then Calzaghe was extremely surprised and excited when he found out he got gifted the win he didn't earn. Calzaghe got whipped and knocked down by a 43 year old man. So much for Calzaghe being an all time great fighter. Is it coincidence that when a man with a padded record finally faced real competition that he had such a difficult time? No. It proves Calzaghe's incompetence as a wannabe top-level boxer.

I know certain sheep that are following the herd have prepared pitiful arguments to defend the mediocrity that is Calzaghe's career, and I will dismantle them here.

1) Calzaghe beat Hopkins legitimately - NO he didn't. Just like Oscar DLH in his fights vs Pernell and Floyd (in which Oscar clearly lost both times despite what the judges said), Calzaghe was the ineffective aggressor while his opponent was the more effective counterpuncher. Calzaghe threw pitter-patter slaps on Bernard's arms and shoulders, and complained about Hopkins faking a low blow (which he probably did) - while forgetting all the times he hit Bernard in the back of the head without being penalized. On no planet did Calzaghe win more than 6 rounds, and because of the knockdown from Bernard there is no way he legitimately won the fight.

2) Well on compubox Calzaghe outstruck Bernard - Compubox stats almost always are innacurate - even glancing blows or blows that completely miss can be counted on the punch stats as an effective shot, so if the compubox stats are your reasoning for Calzaghe's legitimacy then you are a fool. On top of that, matches are scored round by round - not based on who landed more overall shots.

3) Calzaghe is undefeated/there is no blueprint - Calzaghe fought 44 nobodies (including past prime Eubank). The other 2 were a washed up past-prime RJJ and a 43 year old man that he lost to, but received a gift. It's not about the number of fights you win. It's about who you win against and how you win. Brian Nielsen was 49-0 at one point. Would you take Brian Nielsen over Muhammad Ali (56-5), Evander (44-10-2), etc? I would hope not. Undefeated doesn't necessarily mean good.

What has been written is IRREFUTABLE, UNDENIABLE, UNCONTESTABLE, INDISPUTABLE, UNQUESTIONABLE, flawless FACT. Not opinion or conjecture. Not even the fact that Bernard Hopkins legitimately won (but got robbed by the judges) is an opinion. Nor is it an opinion that Calzaghe is nothing close to an all time great fighter by any stretch of the imagination. I challenge any human being to try and disprove the mastery of wisdom that has been displayed. If someone can do so, I will respond to acknowledge their superior knowledge. Unfortunately for delusional Calzaghe fans, no one can refute the irrefutable. Therefore, the chances of receiving a response from me are negligible.

 

He would be great in Europe, average in America...just like most things in and outside of boxing.

 

Top 10

 

Laughing at you for spending your nights trying to prove the Klitschkos, Calzaghe etc are inferior.

You say Calzaghe was only a champion because his era was weak, you say Marciano was only a champion because his era was weak, and you say the Klitschkos were only titleholders because their era was weak, etc.

It couldn't be any more obvious what your agenda is.

 

All of that stuff regarding Calzaghe Klitschko and Rocky is 100% true. So i don't know what you're complaining about.

Bernard getting clearly robbed vs Joe (a 43 year old man being the ONLY legit opponent Calzaghe fought), Lennox destroying Vitali and being the only legit opponent that Vitali fought, Wlad getting crushed by 3 tomato cans and never beating a legit opponent (Sam Peter being the best win), and Rocky struggling against old geezers in Archie, Ezzard, and Jersey Joe all prove this

 

Joe would do in the 80s as he had this time round -

hold a minor title at Junior LHW/new SMW against mostly weaklings for 10 years, plus 2-3 valid decent opponents. Titles such as the Commonwealth or IBO would be equivalent to his original wbo title. Typical opponents would be those such as do not have any mention in internet or magazine resources, the will mcintyres of the era.

In his last fight he would raise his game to win other titles then RETIRE immediately so as to avoid prime world classers. When young Roy Jones, prime eubank, young Lilles, benn and Toney call him out to fight him even at home in Wales, he would laugh them off as being far below his usual diet of weaklings ...... Cal nuthuggers would echo the view ("ho ho why should Joe waste his time with Roy Jones when he has beaten Will Mcintyre Senior?")

....and then Joe'd run away at the age of 36 to the LHW division to beat up 40something washedup drugged out Leon Spinks and go life and death to edge out a razor edge SD with 40something Dwight Qawi.

 

Definitely.

Compubox should be taken with a grain of salt. Gatti landed over 40 shots on Mayweather? De La Hoya landed over 260 shots on Trinidad, and Trinidad over 160 on DLH?

Tony Thompson was beating Wladimir Klitschko when he was stopped?

To be fair on the Compubox people, it's a tough job. Watching professional fighters who are so quick throw shots, move back at the last split second, block at the last split second.

 

Oh wow, another JAB thread critical of a ....certain type of fighter.