Rocky Marciano is the most overrated HW besides the Klitschkos

this ****... wow.

 

Go home troll and take your alts with you.

 

does NG stand for NOOO GOOD cause that's what is left out of your name Troll

 

If you had ever had a chance to climb into the ring with Marciano, I think you might know everything and would not have started this thread.

 

It was a question. And it had perfect relevance. Rocky Marciano defeated the best available opponents of his era.. Muhammad Ali beat the best available opponents of his era. You're calling Marciano's opponents weak.. What's to stop someone decades down the road from now from doing the same with Ali's opposition or any other champion's for that matter?

 

My question has nothing to do with comparing Marciano to Ali. I'll ask again.. If some kid who " knows everything" got on here 60 years from now and claimed that Ali fought "weak" opposition and was the most overrated fighter of all time. Would that automatically make him overrated?

I don't believe you do.

 

So the objective truth is really that one sided? And it is unclear whether you are joking about everything you say being " What has been written is IRREFUTABLE, UNDENIABLE, INCONTESTABLE, INDISPUTABLE, NONSUBJECTIVE, flawless FACT".

When it ironically is a FACT that many things you write are opinions, whether right or wrong. If you believe what you say & are not just trolling, you are mentally ill. At best an egomaniac with simple black & white beliefs.

Anywho. Some corrections.

1) Nobody argued that beating an older Louis makes him an ATG, so that is a Straw Man. All fighters face shot & below par competition-& Rocky id compete in a fairly weak era. But it is RARE for ATGs to face each other when both are prime.

2) You state the premise that prime Louis would easily beat Rocky while offering no evidence. More opinions, indisputably not fact.

Louis would beat more guys H2H & was better overall. But swarmers tend to beat boxers, & Louis himself was not confident who would win, & said he hated swarmers. It is a tough match up for him.

3) Jersey Joe was past his prime. But still excellent, like with the others you ignore who he beat recently. Saying he was in "crazy wars" does not show that they made him washed up. And he fought a great fight against Rocky: but Rocky's pressure, & likely his age/les, got to him.

4) You emotional bias is revcealed when you compare Rocky to a "blind squirre" with his KO. This is transparently false. He stalked Joe & fired with calm control just as Joe was about to deliver. A very precise & calm shot, a wild haymaker would have been "luck", not the Susie-Q.

5) Moore was the oldest, but before & after the fight still very good. 19 losses? Out of how many fights, & when? You cannot disparage a perfect record & automatically do the same when blemished absent examining who was lost to when. That is irrational.

6) Sonny was nowhere on the horizon & not a free man for years. Why assume he ducked Sonny? All the facts show that is not at all rational. This shows a large bias by you, at best assuming facts not in evidence.

7) Do you not know the basic facts? I have never heard it disputed that Rocky retired due to a combination of factors: no meaningful challenges on the horizon. His Manager stealing from him. A bad back. Promising his wie he would retire. Not wanting to be embarrassed. Though he had "2 or 3 good fights" left in him, the factors discussed expedited his retirement.

8) It is unreasonable in the extreme to hold a man not an ATG & then label him a bum. You only see greatness or incompetence? Even IF we believed you that he was not top 15 historically, that is miles away from a bum.

9) I do not commit the same sin as arguing to provoke & only offering completely one sided opinions. Rocky had great heart & maximized his abilities. Yet Ted Lowry both was robbed & tried to throw the fight. Rocky would not match up well with some ATGs due to size. And that his speed & accuracy were wanting, also cut fairly readily.

10) I truly hope you realize that extreme reactionary opinions are no more admirable than blind following of convention & hero worship that ignores the facts. Both are equally lacking in logic & show psychological limitations.

 

I thought while he is an all-time great, he is still somewhat lucky and overrated. Some of those early wins allegedly came against his brother and he fought a lot of greats past their best. Remember, he was 25 fighting 35+ old fighters and I heard the same thing he retired when it was either Liston or Patterson was coming up. With that said, he still was undefeated just in an era where he wasnt matched up with someone prime for prime..Which isnt entirely his fault BTW.

 

In September of 1955 when Rocky Marciano fought his last and final bout against Archie Moore, Sonny Liston was 13-1 with a recent defeat to Marty Marshal and an amateur career that was virtually non-existent. Therefore, its really not logical to think that Marciano saw him as a threat. In fact, in all likelihood he probably didn't even know who he was. As for Floyd Patterson, its been discussed numerous times on these forums that Cus D'Amato wasn't ready to put Floyd in with Rocky. I'm sure if the money was right he might have bit the bullet and taken the chance, but I don't think Marciano "ducking" these guys had anything to do with why those fights never came off. Willie Pastrano was supposedly the next man in line.

 

Some of his early wins might have come against his brother, whaaa? The guys he fought are documented, who ever said he ever fought a sibling, let alone multiple times? Please clarify James.

Also he was ~ 25 when he turned pro, then retired at 32. He fough a small minority fo men when exactly that age, + some of his opponents were young, like Carmine Vingo. The best he fougt did tend to be older, but still very good. Ezzard Charles was barely older (33) than The Brocton Blockbuster when they fought twice.

The fact that (like the vast majority of HWs & other ATGs) never fought another ATG in their prime is not "not entirely his fault". It is not remotely by any stretch of the imagination his fault. He fought the best available, retired for the reasons I enumerated above, & as Mr. Magoo & others have also stated, there was nobody very good, let alone an ATG, anywhere on the horizon. Liston was no threat as described, & Patterson not even a HW then-if D'Amato would have ever put Floyd in with him. It took years & much pressure, including an in-person request from President Kennedy, for Floyd to fight Liston!

 

lol, Rocky isn't overrated.. his achievements in the ring alone makes it a fact that he's one of the greatest heavyweight champions ever. I don't care if he's smaller then today's fighters; at least he knocked out almost everyone they put in the ring with him!

 

Marciano definitely IS overrated, but he was definitely NOT a bum.

The revisionist fanboys ( similar to *******s ) are the ones who should be ridiculed, not Marciano himself.